Saturday, March 31, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Biscardi makes his decision

Who the hell cares? Really? A lot of people care, inasmuch as industry trends, as well as anecdotal illustrations can be very helpful to other professionals who might find themselves in a similar situation. Mr. Biscardi's experience could be extrapolated to as big or as small an object lesson as you care to make it.

Okay, maybe you don't care (and apparently you a lot don't care). But what's with hostility?

DD

On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:38 AM, john@digitalcut.com wrote:

> Who the hell cares?
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > After testing several systems for a while, Walter makes his choice on the replacement for FCP.
> >
> > << http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/2012/03/because-you-asked-more-on-our-switch-to-avid-mc6/>>
> >
> > or
> >
> > <<http://tinyurl.com/ct354un>>
> >
> > Terence Curren
> > Burbank, CA
> >
> > www.alphadogs.tv
> > www.digitalservicestation.com
> >
> > www.editorslounge.com
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[Avid-L2] Re: Biscardi makes his decision

 

Me for one.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "john@..." <john@...> wrote:
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> Who the hell cares?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Terence Curren <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
> > After testing several systems for a while, Walter makes his choice on the replacement for FCP.
> >
> > << http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/2012/03/because-you-asked-more-on-our-switch-to-avid-mc6/>>
> >
> > or
> >
> > <<http://tinyurl.com/ct354un>>
> >
> > Terence Curren
> > Burbank, CA
> >
> > www.alphadogs.tv
> > www.digitalservicestation.com
> >
> > www.editorslounge.com
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Avid-L2] Biscardi makes his decision

 

He owns his own facility. He is not a freelance. So deciding which tools
to use have more gravitas compared to freelance editors.
And many here are in the same kind of position, be it NLE or VTR or
monitor. These people care.

On 3/31/2012 1:38 PM, john@digitalcut.com wrote:
> Who the hell cares?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Terence Curren<tcurren@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> After testing several systems for a while, Walter makes his choice on the replacement for FCP.
>>
>> << http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/2012/03/because-you-asked-more-on-our-switch-to-avid-mc6/>>
>>
>> or
>>
>> <<http://tinyurl.com/ct354un>>
>>
>> Terence Curren
>> Burbank, CA
>>
>> www.alphadogs.tv
>> www.digitalservicestation.com
>>
>> www.editorslounge.com
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[Avid-L2] Re: Biscardi makes his decision

 

Kind of like Lebron James or Peyton Manning...."The Decision".....

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "john@..." <john@...> wrote:
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> Who the hell cares?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Terence Curren <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
> > After testing several systems for a while, Walter makes his choice on the replacement for FCP.
> >
> > << http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/2012/03/because-you-asked-more-on-our-switch-to-avid-mc6/>>
> >
> > or
> >
> > <<http://tinyurl.com/ct354un>>
> >
> > Terence Curren
> > Burbank, CA
> >
> > www.alphadogs.tv
> > www.digitalservicestation.com
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Re: [Avid-L2] Biscardi makes his decision

 

Who the hell cares?

On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:

> After testing several systems for a while, Walter makes his choice on the replacement for FCP.
>
> << http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/2012/03/because-you-asked-more-on-our-switch-to-avid-mc6/>>
>
> or
>
> <<http://tinyurl.com/ct354un>>
>
> Terence Curren
> Burbank, CA
>
> www.alphadogs.tv
> www.digitalservicestation.com
>
> www.editorslounge.com
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 

I have not worked with the C300 but if that is naming scheme of that
camera that is sad, pathetic even. For that price Canon could not come
up with a system to prevent file name clashing - similar to the P2 and
XDCAM formats? Wow.

But yes, having the same TC, file name and shoot date will like trip AMA up.

On 3/31/2012 1:11 PM, Michael Brockington wrote:
> Just to be clear, I was referring to duplicate names at the OS level,
> generated by the camera.
>
> I was recently working on a 2-camera shoot using C300 cameras. A and B
> cameras generated the same filenames, using their default settings
> (AA0001, AA0002, etc.) Relinking a cut sequence to the AMA clips proved
> difficult -- some parts of the sequence relinked and others did not. I
> attribute it to the duplicate filenames.
>
> Cheers,
> --Michael
>
> On 12-03-31 1:32 AM, trevatpc wrote:
>> I think there's some confusion over clip 'filename' at OS level and
>> the entry in the 'name' column once in Avid.
>>
>> The latter you can change at will. The former is best left alone.
>>
>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Michael Brockington<brocking@...> wrote:
>>> I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
>>> to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?
>>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 

Just to be clear, I was referring to duplicate names at the OS level,
generated by the camera.

I was recently working on a 2-camera shoot using C300 cameras. A and B
cameras generated the same filenames, using their default settings
(AA0001, AA0002, etc.) Relinking a cut sequence to the AMA clips proved
difficult -- some parts of the sequence relinked and others did not. I
attribute it to the duplicate filenames.

Cheers,
--Michael

On 12-03-31 1:32 AM, trevatpc wrote:
>
> I think there's some confusion over clip 'filename' at OS level and
> the entry in the 'name' column once in Avid.
>
> The latter you can change at will. The former is best left alone.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Michael Brockington <brocking@...> wrote:
> >
> > I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
> > to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?
> >
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[Avid-L2] Re: Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 



--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Anna Hovhannessian <annahovhannessian@...> wrote:
>
> If you're nervous about renaming clips, The other option is to make stringouts.
>
> You can stringout each interview in a sequence. Makes it easier anyway. Radio cuts are faster, scenes make more sense, finding timecode easier.
>
> Same thing with Broll footage.
>
> I rarely look at the clips anyway, i just go straight to the strings.
>
> The only time I go to the footage bin is if I need to look at the metadata for some reason or troubleshoot something.
>

I'm already working that way, the issue though is that when you cut from a string out reel into your timeline, you have nonsense info in this case as the underlying clip names are useless.

Thanks to everyone who's chimed in on this; I'm having a meeting early next week with the online folks to sort this out. I'm hoping there's been a miscommunication and everyone realizes clip names within a bin aren't the hard link to file name and just wants to make sure I don't go around renaming files on the Unity drives (!), but in case that's not the issue, I think I came up with a plan B.

I realized I could subclip the "00000", "00001" clips in their entirety and give them whatever name I want, and then make string outs from the subclips. Cutting from a string out of subclips puts useful info into the timeline, and it won' t be that onerous for the assistant to blast through a few bins in a couple of hours and make the change. In fact, Bouke's macro editor may help out with this as well.

-Robert

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[Avid-L2] Re: Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 

I think there's some confusion over clip 'filename' at OS level and the entry in the 'name' column once in Avid.

The latter you can change at will. The former is best left alone.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Michael Brockington <brocking@...> wrote:
>
> I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
> to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?
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Friday, March 30, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 

If you're nervous about renaming clips, The other option is to make stringouts.

You can stringout each interview in a sequence. Makes it easier anyway. Radio cuts are faster, scenes make more sense, finding timecode easier.

Same thing with Broll footage.

I rarely look at the clips anyway, i just go straight to the strings.

The only time I go to the footage bin is if I need to look at the metadata for some reason or troubleshoot something.

On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Agustin Goya <agustingoya@gmail.com> wrote:

> My experience with XDCAM EX is that the source folder name is the
> equivalent to tape inside Media Composer. I've had trouble relinking were I
> had more that one folder containig XDCAM files mamed Card_1, Card_2, etc.
> When relinking if the TC matched, MC relinked to the first clip it found
> with that "TapeName".
> Now, before AMA linking I check that the directory name of the card is
> unique DATE_Card01, Date_Card02, for example and everything relinks just
> fine.
>
> Agustin Goya
> WANCAMP | POST
> +54-11-6545-2427
> http://www.wancamp.com.ar/
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/agustingoya/
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2339496/
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Dom Q. Silverio <domqsilverio@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> DSRLs in particular do not have provision to prevent duplicate names
>> like P2 and XDCAM do.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2012 9:32 PM, Michael Brockington wrote:
>>> I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
>>> to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --Michael
>>>
>>> On 12-03-30 5:25 AM, Robert wrote:
>>>> So...
>>>>
>>>> This largish shop I just started working at shot this series on the
>>>> Sony FS-100. Apparently this is only reason I get to work on MC 6.
>>>>
>>>> They've told me that the import process - AMA style - doesn't allow
>>>> them to rename the clips, and because we're doing an online / offline
>>>> process, I can't rename the clips or the links to the original media
>>>> will break.
>>>>
>>>> But I've got 10 interviews, and the clip names for them are all the
>>>> same. So whether it's Mr. Big Shot or Mother of Crime Victim speaking,
>>>> my timeline just says "00000", "00001", etc. This is crazy to me;
>>>> somehow we've lost something that's been in NLEs pretty much since day
>>>> 1. That broll shot covering the cut? "00000".
>>>>
>>>> So my first question is this: does it really have to be this way? Is
>>>> there not some step they just skipped where they get a chance to
>>>> rationalize the file names between camera card and hard drive?
>>>>
>>>> And the second question is more practical; is there anything I can do
>>>> to make my edit less hair-pully-outey? I saw that now I've got the
>>>> option to display comments in the timeline, but that seems to line up
>>>> with the comments you add via the record monitor which were intended
>>>> to send a note to the online editor in the EDL, not the comments field
>>>> which you get in the script bin view (I think that's what it's
>>>> called). Any ideas? At this point I've just turned the text off and
>>>> turned the frame view on and I'm pretending I'm sitting at a Steenbeck.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much, gang.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Salsbury
>>>> reel: http://vimeo.com/channels/robertsalsburydocs
>>>> blog: blog.robertsalsbury.com
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

My experience with XDCAM EX is that the source folder name is the
equivalent to tape inside Media Composer. I've had trouble relinking were I
had more that one folder containig XDCAM files mamed Card_1, Card_2, etc.
When relinking if the TC matched, MC relinked to the first clip it found
with that "TapeName".
Now, before AMA linking I check that the directory name of the card is
unique DATE_Card01, Date_Card02, for example and everything relinks just
fine.

Agustin Goya
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+54-11-6545-2427
http://www.wancamp.com.ar/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/agustingoya/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2339496/


On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Dom Q. Silverio <domqsilverio@gmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> DSRLs in particular do not have provision to prevent duplicate names
> like P2 and XDCAM do.
>
>
> On 3/30/2012 9:32 PM, Michael Brockington wrote:
> > I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
> > to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --Michael
> >
> > On 12-03-30 5:25 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> So...
> >>
> >> This largish shop I just started working at shot this series on the
> >> Sony FS-100. Apparently this is only reason I get to work on MC 6.
> >>
> >> They've told me that the import process - AMA style - doesn't allow
> >> them to rename the clips, and because we're doing an online / offline
> >> process, I can't rename the clips or the links to the original media
> >> will break.
> >>
> >> But I've got 10 interviews, and the clip names for them are all the
> >> same. So whether it's Mr. Big Shot or Mother of Crime Victim speaking,
> >> my timeline just says "00000", "00001", etc. This is crazy to me;
> >> somehow we've lost something that's been in NLEs pretty much since day
> >> 1. That broll shot covering the cut? "00000".
> >>
> >> So my first question is this: does it really have to be this way? Is
> >> there not some step they just skipped where they get a chance to
> >> rationalize the file names between camera card and hard drive?
> >>
> >> And the second question is more practical; is there anything I can do
> >> to make my edit less hair-pully-outey? I saw that now I've got the
> >> option to display comments in the timeline, but that seems to line up
> >> with the comments you add via the record monitor which were intended
> >> to send a note to the online editor in the EDL, not the comments field
> >> which you get in the script bin view (I think that's what it's
> >> called). Any ideas? At this point I've just turned the text off and
> >> turned the frame view on and I'm pretending I'm sitting at a Steenbeck.
> >>
> >> Thanks very much, gang.
> >>
> >> Robert Salsbury
> >> reel: http://vimeo.com/channels/robertsalsburydocs
> >> blog: blog.robertsalsbury.com
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 

DSRLs in particular do not have provision to prevent duplicate names
like P2 and XDCAM do.

On 3/30/2012 9:32 PM, Michael Brockington wrote:
> I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
> to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?
>
> Cheers,
> --Michael
>
> On 12-03-30 5:25 AM, Robert wrote:
>> So...
>>
>> This largish shop I just started working at shot this series on the
>> Sony FS-100. Apparently this is only reason I get to work on MC 6.
>>
>> They've told me that the import process - AMA style - doesn't allow
>> them to rename the clips, and because we're doing an online / offline
>> process, I can't rename the clips or the links to the original media
>> will break.
>>
>> But I've got 10 interviews, and the clip names for them are all the
>> same. So whether it's Mr. Big Shot or Mother of Crime Victim speaking,
>> my timeline just says "00000", "00001", etc. This is crazy to me;
>> somehow we've lost something that's been in NLEs pretty much since day
>> 1. That broll shot covering the cut? "00000".
>>
>> So my first question is this: does it really have to be this way? Is
>> there not some step they just skipped where they get a chance to
>> rationalize the file names between camera card and hard drive?
>>
>> And the second question is more practical; is there anything I can do
>> to make my edit less hair-pully-outey? I saw that now I've got the
>> option to display comments in the timeline, but that seems to line up
>> with the comments you add via the record monitor which were intended
>> to send a note to the online editor in the EDL, not the comments field
>> which you get in the script bin view (I think that's what it's
>> called). Any ideas? At this point I've just turned the text off and
>> turned the frame view on and I'm pretending I'm sitting at a Steenbeck.
>>
>> Thanks very much, gang.
>>
>> Robert Salsbury
>> reel: http://vimeo.com/channels/robertsalsburydocs
>> blog: blog.robertsalsbury.com
>>
>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

 

I would be extremely wary of duplicate clip names. If you are relinking
to AMA clips, that's typically based on clip name, is it not?

Cheers,
--Michael

On 12-03-30 5:25 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> So...
>
> This largish shop I just started working at shot this series on the
> Sony FS-100. Apparently this is only reason I get to work on MC 6.
>
> They've told me that the import process - AMA style - doesn't allow
> them to rename the clips, and because we're doing an online / offline
> process, I can't rename the clips or the links to the original media
> will break.
>
> But I've got 10 interviews, and the clip names for them are all the
> same. So whether it's Mr. Big Shot or Mother of Crime Victim speaking,
> my timeline just says "00000", "00001", etc. This is crazy to me;
> somehow we've lost something that's been in NLEs pretty much since day
> 1. That broll shot covering the cut? "00000".
>
> So my first question is this: does it really have to be this way? Is
> there not some step they just skipped where they get a chance to
> rationalize the file names between camera card and hard drive?
>
> And the second question is more practical; is there anything I can do
> to make my edit less hair-pully-outey? I saw that now I've got the
> option to display comments in the timeline, but that seems to line up
> with the comments you add via the record monitor which were intended
> to send a note to the online editor in the EDL, not the comments field
> which you get in the script bin view (I think that's what it's
> called). Any ideas? At this point I've just turned the text off and
> turned the frame view on and I'm pretending I'm sitting at a Steenbeck.
>
> Thanks very much, gang.
>
> Robert Salsbury
> reel: http://vimeo.com/channels/robertsalsburydocs
> blog: blog.robertsalsbury.com
>
>

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RE: [Avid-L2] Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".

Changing the clips names will not affect the AMA. It's the tape number and TC that allow it to relink. It would be insane not to be able to name your clips what they are. Presumably they AMA in, transcode to offline resolution, edit, then relink the sequence to the full res media? Just make sure when you transcode to offline that the resultant clips get a unique tape number (per card/disc etc) then add that tape number to the AMA bin you want to relink to. This will work, we do it a lot.

Andi

To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
From: robertsalsbury@me.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:25:59 +0000
Subject: [Avid-L2] Tapeless Reality Check - clip names "00000".






So…

This largish shop I just started working at shot this series on the Sony FS-100. Apparently this is only reason I get to work on MC 6.

They've told me that the import process - AMA style - doesn't allow them to rename the clips, and because we're doing an online / offline process, I can't rename the clips or the links to the original media will break.

But I've got 10 interviews, and the clip names for them are all the same. So whether it's Mr. Big Shot or Mother of Crime Victim speaking, my timeline just says "00000", "00001", etc. This is crazy to me; somehow we've lost something that's been in NLEs pretty much since day 1. That broll shot covering the cut? "00000".

So my first question is this: does it really have to be this way? Is there not some step they just skipped where they get a chance to rationalize the file names between camera card and hard drive?

And the second question is more practical; is there anything I can do to make my edit less hair-pully-outey? I saw that now I've got the option to display comments in the timeline, but that seems to line up with the comments you add via the record monitor which were intended to send a note to the online editor in the EDL, not the comments field which you get in the script bin view (I think that's what it's called). Any ideas? At this point I've just turned the text off and turned the frame view on and I'm pretending I'm sitting at a Steenbeck.

Thanks very much, gang.

Robert Salsbury

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Re: [Avid-L2] [OT] Anyone at ABC or Good Morning America?

Thanks Pete.
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On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Pete Opotowsky wrote:

> Yep, there's Saturday GMA.
> Ask the producer who called for a dub of the air check. They record everything.
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> On 3/30/2012 5:10 PM, Benjamin Hershleder wrote:
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Re: [Avid-L2] [OT] Anyone at ABC or Good Morning America?

 

Yep, there's Saturday GMA.
Ask the producer who called for a dub of the air check. They record everything.

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> I wondered about the Saturday broadcast too . . .

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[Avid-L2] QT Pro exporting to USB Rugged Mini?

 

I'm taking a Avid QT ref SD 1:1 mxf file with 4 tracks of audio and using QT Pro to export a self contained QT directly to a LaCie Rugged Mini.  The Mini is USB buss powered with a USB to internal connection cable with two mini and micro usb connectors mounted together side by side.  In activity monitor it shows Data written/sec bouncing between 14.5 to 16.38 MB.  I never really look at these activity monitor parameters so I don't have a feel for what they should or could be.  Could anyone tell me if I would be better off creating the QT self contained movie to the internal drive and then copying the file to the Rugged Mini or is the throughput of the USB connected LaCie Rugged Mini not a factor in the time QT Pro takes to export the file.  In other words does exporting directly to the LaCie mini slow down QT Pro's processing of the file because it's having to wait for the LaCie to write the data before moving on to more processing.

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