Saturday, December 18, 2010

Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Oki Dog Update just in time for the holiday break

 

Enough already. The hot dog thread came and went about ten years ago. Time
to move on.

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:28 AM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> The Oki Elfs have been busy and there are new wooden laminate table tops at
> Oki Dog. The old orange tables are gone. Only the old orange bench seats
> remain but in true Oki fashion the new table tops were place on top of the
> existing structure so now the tables feel a little on the high side. There
> is also a new refrigerator display unit in the main dining area. Empty now
> but I'm told it will be used for juices, and after 1 am a beer locker ;-).
> At first glance at the new layout I was mortified to see the Pac Man game
> missing and in it''s place a "Force 2006 Megatouch" video card game. I
> asked what happened and was told it was just moved to the other side of the
> room, whew! Now back to dinner.
>
> John Moore
>
> Barking Trout Productions
>
> Studio City, CA
>
> bigfish@pacbell.net
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 


Don't forget the mixed frame rates...

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Donnie Rogers <donnie@...> wrote:
>
> Now, they are bringing in in harddrives saying "it's all digitized!" Yeah, but in who knows what codec, from what camera, with how many files with duplicate names, because their camera starts every shoot with something like A000001.MOV
>
>
> Donnie Rogers
> VP of Technology
> Grass Roots Media, Inc.
> 115 N. William Street
> South Bend, Indiana 46601
>
> 574-289-8437 Office
> 574-250-0155 Mobile
> donnie@...
>
> Grass Roots Media on YouTube
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>
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Chuck Reti wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2010, at Dec 17 6:43 PM, Nick Hrycyk wrote:
> >
> > > ...digitizing the footage is often our first chance to see it and
> > > take notes. Kinda hard to edit when you have no idea what the
> > > footage looks like but the client says "we shot for 4 days and I'll
> > > bring my drive over at 9 and we can be ready by 9:30, right!" Then
> > > you ask for script notes and the answer is "huh"!
> > >
> > > Nick Hrycyk
> >
> > You do remember, Nick, when we had clients who would bring in tapes
> > by the dozen on hand trucks and in shopping carts.
> > That "huh?" answer applied to notes and timecode logs back then, too.
> > Often prefaced by "oh, you're gonna hate me..." and later, "why is
> > this taking so long?"
> >
> > Chuck Reti
> > Detroit MI
> >
>
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>
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 11:24 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

Now, they are bringing in in harddrives saying "it's all digitized!" Yeah, but in who knows what codec, from what camera, with how many files with duplicate names, because their camera starts every shoot with something like A000001.MOV


Donnie Rogers
VP of Technology
Grass Roots Media, Inc.
115 N. William Street
South Bend, Indiana 46601

574-289-8437 Office
574-250-0155 Mobile
donnie@grassrootsmedia.net

Grass Roots Media on YouTube

On Dec 18, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Chuck Reti wrote:

>
> On Dec 17, 2010, at Dec 17 6:43 PM, Nick Hrycyk wrote:
>
> > ...digitizing the footage is often our first chance to see it and
> > take notes. Kinda hard to edit when you have no idea what the
> > footage looks like but the client says "we shot for 4 days and I'll
> > bring my drive over at 9 and we can be ready by 9:30, right!" Then
> > you ask for script notes and the answer is "huh"!
> >
> > Nick Hrycyk
>
> You do remember, Nick, when we had clients who would bring in tapes
> by the dozen on hand trucks and in shopping carts.
> That "huh?" answer applied to notes and timecode logs back then, too.
> Often prefaced by "oh, you're gonna hate me..." and later, "why is
> this taking so long?"
>
> Chuck Reti
> Detroit MI
>

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 10:17 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 


On Dec 17, 2010, at Dec 17 6:43 PM, Nick Hrycyk wrote:

> ...digitizing the footage is often our first chance to see it and
> take notes. Kinda hard to edit when you have no idea what the
> footage looks like but the client says "we shot for 4 days and I'll
> bring my drive over at 9 and we can be ready by 9:30, right!" Then
> you ask for script notes and the answer is "huh"!
>
> Nick Hrycyk

You do remember, Nick, when we had clients who would bring in tapes
by the dozen on hand trucks and in shopping carts.
That "huh?" answer applied to notes and timecode logs back then, too.
Often prefaced by "oh, you're gonna hate me..." and later, "why is
this taking so long?"

Chuck Reti
Detroit MI

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:32 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 

I've done that a lot too. I guess some of the 'old' techniques stay with us ;)

________________________________
From: Job ter Burg (L2B) <Job_L2@terburg.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com; Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com>
Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 3:35:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

"Steve Hullfish" (18-12-2010 03:37) :

> I actually remember a film editor back in the early Avid days saying that he
> used to keep a giant strung sequence that he would just shuttle through on the
> source monitor when he was mulling over an edit, because it reminded him of
> using a Steenbeck editor and catching glimpses of shots he'd forgotten about
> as he'd scroll through a reel of film.

Pretty sure it's what Murch writes in In The Blink Of An Eye, but he was
talking about KEM's, where they would assemble their rushes in 10-min reels.

I'll admit having copied that technique. I create a sequence of all shots
and takes for a certain scene. I use that to watch the footage, and make
notes (add markers), and I use it later, flipping through the sequence to
quickly determine what's in there.

--
Job ter Burg
film editor - NL

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 7:13 AM 0 comments

RE: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 

BTW "film is dead" too...

Tom McDonnell
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 12:38 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 

"Steve Hullfish" (18-12-2010 03:37) :

> I actually remember a film editor back in the early Avid days saying that he
> used to keep a giant strung sequence that he would just shuttle through on the
> source monitor when he was mulling over an edit, because it reminded him of
> using a Steenbeck editor and catching glimpses of shots he'd forgotten about
> as he'd scroll through a reel of film.

Pretty sure it's what Murch writes in In The Blink Of An Eye, but he was
talking about KEM's, where they would assemble their rushes in 10-min reels.

I'll admit having copied that technique. I create a sequence of all shots
and takes for a certain scene. I use that to watch the footage, and make
notes (add markers), and I use it later, flipping through the sequence to
quickly determine what's in there.

--
Job ter Burg
film editor - NL

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 12:35 AM 0 comments

Friday, December 17, 2010

[Avid-L2] OT: Oki Dog Update just in time for the holiday break

 

The Oki Elfs have been busy and there are new wooden laminate table tops at Oki Dog.  The old orange tables are gone.  Only the old orange bench seats remain but in true Oki fashion the new table tops were place on top of the existing structure so now the tables feel a little on the high side.   There is also a new refrigerator display unit in the main dining area.  Empty now but I'm told it will be used for juices, and after 1 am a beer locker ;-).  At first glance at the new layout I was mortified to see the Pac Man game missing and in it''s place a "Force 2006 Megatouch" video card game.  I asked what happened and was told it was just moved to the other side of the room, whew!  Now back to dinner.

John Moore

Barking Trout Productions

Studio City, CA

bigfish@pacbell.net

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 10:28 PM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: 50 Best Careers in 2011

 

And subtract from that the number of those editors who are actually finishing shows, and you get an idea why the Symphony CC tool hasn't been significantly improved since it's inception in the last century.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:

<<Note that they pinpoint the number of jobs as in the 25,000-28,000 range in the US. Magnify this by a few times that for worldwide numbers. So, it's easy to see that the actual number of professional editors is a meer fraction of the millions of cumulative licenses claimed by the desktop NLE manufacturers.
>
> Think of that the next time you ponder why some features make it and others are ignored in that next NLE update!>>

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:45 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 

You just pinpointed the main problem I have with digital delivery.

Laying off to tape used to be the last chance to watch the master through, catch
any errors, and pickup the edit after fixing them.

When I deliver digitally it's all copying files so you have to spend time
beforehand watching everything to make sure it's all good.

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From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 5:07:01 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

Then I want a file based deck. Something I can control from the edit bay, feed
it an SDI signal and be able to pick up along the way if I catch an error. I
haven't worked in an ISIS, Interplay environment but maybe some of this
functionality is there. I'm under the impression you take a completed sequence
and ship it of to the playback server thingy when done but it doesn't sound like
you can watch it as it goes off to the server. I just don't like surprises but
I guess I'll just have to go with the flow, work flow that is, when a file based
delivery comes my way.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:
>
> > Steve Pomerantz wrote:
> > We still output everything to tape for delivery
> > to the networks.. usually HDcamSR.
>
> That, too, will soon go away. There are already networks accepting file-based
>delivery. Many have already adopted that internally if not for outside
>suppliers. This trend will continue, because the network bean-counters will
>increasingly refuse to cough up the cash to repair/replace dying decks.
>Especially if they get used less and less in daily operations.
>
> - Oliver
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:40 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

 

Eventually yes but I'm not sure how soon. I'm doing a lot of work in-house at
various cable networks and all of our series and movies come to use via HDCAM or
SR.

Where you are correct is that when we deliver promos we don't usually deliver on
tape anymore.

But I think it will be a while before these massive tape libraries I go thru
every day will disappear.

________________________________
From: oliverpetersvidy <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 4:45:12 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: The "tape is dead" thread

> Steve Pomerantz wrote:
> We still output everything to tape for delivery
> to the networks.. usually HDcamSR.

That, too, will soon go away. There are already networks accepting file-based
delivery. Many have already adopted that internally if not for outside
suppliers. This trend will continue, because the network bean-counters will
increasingly refuse to cough up the cash to repair/replace dying decks.
Especially if they get used less and less in daily operations.

- Oliver

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:38 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: 50 Best Careers in 2011

 

EXACTLY!

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From: oliverpetersvidy <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 11:52:07 AM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: 50 Best Careers in 2011

Note that they pinpoint the number of jobs as in the 25,000-28,000 range in the
US. Magnify this by a few times that for worldwide numbers. So, it's easy to see
that the actual number of professional editors is a meer fraction of the
millions of cumulative licenses claimed by the desktop NLE manufacturers.

Think of that the next time you ponder why some features make it and others are
ignored in that next NLE update!

- Oliver

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