Monday, July 23, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Tools for Placing Cuts and Transitions in Interview Video

 

This will be great for political attack ads and dishonest journalism.

Jim Feeley
jfeeley@gmail.com

On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Terence Curren wrote:

> Avid might have something to say about infringing on the script based editing patent.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Krebs <rockinjeff@...> wrote:
> >
> > This shouldn't bother anyone! (insert sarcasm here)
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MJBtbCPj-kA

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Re: [Avid-L2] Tools for Placing Cuts and Transitions in Interview Video

 

The funny thing is that while watching the demonstration, I easily saw even better locations for the edit to achieve the same thing. I'm thinking "fail" on multiple levels, especially legally.

The tech is pretty cool though.

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On Jul 23, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Terence Curren wrote:

> Avid might have something to say about infringing on the script based editing patent.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Krebs <rockinjeff@...> wrote:
> >
> > This shouldn't bother anyone! (insert sarcasm here)
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MJBtbCPj-kA

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[Avid-L2] Re: Tools for Placing Cuts and Transitions in Interview Video

 

Avid might have something to say about infringing on the script based editing patent.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Krebs <rockinjeff@...> wrote:
>
> This shouldn't bother anyone! (insert sarcasm here)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MJBtbCPj-kA
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] FCP-X grading question

Needing to keyframe is relatively rare in color correction, but everybody wants their cc app or NLE to have the ability. The method in Symphony is not really intuitive, so, because I rarely use it, it's faster to add the keyframes. My point was that Jeff had only used Symphony so long ago that he wasn't aware of the keyframing ability, so I was merely pointing it out. I have only used the keyframing ability in order to teach it, not during any actual color correction I've done in a real project, which just shows how rare it is, at least in my work.

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On Jul 23, 2012, at 12:24 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Color Correction can be keyframed in mc and symphony but I've never bothered with it and don't know anybody that does. Not all the parameters are keyframable, like curves IIRC, and it's still faster to add an edit and switch one side to src segment and use a dissolve. I'd be interested in hearing when someone has found it really beneficial and faster to use keyframes in the CC on avid. Not to mention I've heard that it is because of this keyframing feature they broke the master clip relational color correction. I've also heard that the keyframing CC was a step in the direction of better keyframable masking like power window but so far that has not materialized.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
> >
> > Also, not sure how long ago you were doing cc in Symphony, but CC in Symphony is now keyframable, without the need to resort to adding edits and dissolves.
> >
> > Good tips on FCP-X Oliver. Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Steve Hullfish
> > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >
> > On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote:
> >
> > > Oliver:
> > >
> > > Thanks! Worked perfectly. I have been bouncing between MC6, Premiere Pro, AE 6, and FCP-X and am getting paradigm overload. The dissolves should solve the keyframe problem, though not perfectly elegantly -- but workably.
> > >
> > > Deeply appreciated!
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Jeff Kreines wrote:
> > > >> the shots do not remain in sync during the dissolve!
> > > >
> > > > I do this, too. They should be in sync, so maybe you are inadvertently moving or trimming them thanks to the magnetic timeline. Cut your clips in the Position mode (P key), then select the cut and cmd-T for a default dissolve.
> > > >
> > > >> I searched for a keyframable effect for color correction
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about keyframes, but you might look at Yanobox Moods (part of FxFactory) or Irudis Tonalizer.
> > > >
> > > >> (In trim, why can't you just drag the head or tail marker, rather than counter-intuitively slide the film strip in relation to it?)
> > > >
> > > > Forget the Precision Trimmer. Use the Trim mode (T key).
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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[Avid-L2] Tools for Placing Cuts and Transitions in Interview Video

 

This shouldn't bother anyone! (insert sarcasm here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MJBtbCPj-kA

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Sunday, July 22, 2012

[Avid-L2] Re: FCP-X grading question

 

Color Correction can be keyframed in mc and symphony but I've never bothered with it and don't know anybody that does. Not all the parameters are keyframable, like curves IIRC, and it's still faster to add an edit and switch one side to src segment and use a dissolve. I'd be interested in hearing when someone has found it really beneficial and faster to use keyframes in the CC on avid. Not to mention I've heard that it is because of this keyframing feature they broke the master clip relational color correction. I've also heard that the keyframing CC was a step in the direction of better keyframable masking like power window but so far that has not materialized.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> Also, not sure how long ago you were doing cc in Symphony, but CC in Symphony is now keyframable, without the need to resort to adding edits and dissolves.
>
> Good tips on FCP-X Oliver. Thanks.
>
>
> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote:
>
> > Oliver:
> >
> > Thanks! Worked perfectly. I have been bouncing between MC6, Premiere Pro, AE 6, and FCP-X and am getting paradigm overload. The dissolves should solve the keyframe problem, though not perfectly elegantly -- but workably.
> >
> > Deeply appreciated!
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
> >
> > >> Jeff Kreines wrote:
> > >> the shots do not remain in sync during the dissolve!
> > >
> > > I do this, too. They should be in sync, so maybe you are inadvertently moving or trimming them thanks to the magnetic timeline. Cut your clips in the Position mode (P key), then select the cut and cmd-T for a default dissolve.
> > >
> > >> I searched for a keyframable effect for color correction
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about keyframes, but you might look at Yanobox Moods (part of FxFactory) or Irudis Tonalizer.
> > >
> > >> (In trim, why can't you just drag the head or tail marker, rather than counter-intuitively slide the film strip in relation to it?)
> > >
> > > Forget the Precision Trimmer. Use the Trim mode (T key).
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] FCP-X grading question

 

Also, not sure how long ago you were doing cc in Symphony, but CC in Symphony is now keyframable, without the need to resort to adding edits and dissolves.

Good tips on FCP-X Oliver. Thanks.

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote:

> Oliver:
>
> Thanks! Worked perfectly. I have been bouncing between MC6, Premiere Pro, AE 6, and FCP-X and am getting paradigm overload. The dissolves should solve the keyframe problem, though not perfectly elegantly -- but workably.
>
> Deeply appreciated!
>
> Jeff
>
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
>
> >> Jeff Kreines wrote:
> >> the shots do not remain in sync during the dissolve!
> >
> > I do this, too. They should be in sync, so maybe you are inadvertently moving or trimming them thanks to the magnetic timeline. Cut your clips in the Position mode (P key), then select the cut and cmd-T for a default dissolve.
> >
> >> I searched for a keyframable effect for color correction
> >
> > I'm not sure about keyframes, but you might look at Yanobox Moods (part of FxFactory) or Irudis Tonalizer.
> >
> >> (In trim, why can't you just drag the head or tail marker, rather than counter-intuitively slide the film strip in relation to it?)
> >
> > Forget the Precision Trimmer. Use the Trim mode (T key).

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP-X grading question

 

Oliver:

Thanks! Worked perfectly. I have been bouncing between MC6, Premiere Pro, AE 6, and FCP-X and am getting paradigm overload. The dissolves should solve the keyframe problem, though not perfectly elegantly -- but workably.

Deeply appreciated!

Jeff

On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:

>> Jeff Kreines wrote:
>> the shots do not remain in sync during the dissolve!
>
> I do this, too. They should be in sync, so maybe you are inadvertently moving or trimming them thanks to the magnetic timeline. Cut your clips in the Position mode (P key), then select the cut and cmd-T for a default dissolve.
>
>> I searched for a keyframable effect for color correction
>
> I'm not sure about keyframes, but you might look at Yanobox Moods (part of FxFactory) or Irudis Tonalizer.
>
>> (In trim, why can't you just drag the head or tail marker, rather than counter-intuitively slide the film strip in relation to it?)
>
> Forget the Precision Trimmer. Use the Trim mode (T key).
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP-X grading question

 

> Jeff Kreines wrote:
> the shots do not remain in sync during the dissolve!

I do this, too. They should be in sync, so maybe you are inadvertently moving or trimming them thanks to the magnetic timeline. Cut your clips in the Position mode (P key), then select the cut and cmd-T for a default dissolve.

> I searched for a keyframable effect for color correction

I'm not sure about keyframes, but you might look at Yanobox Moods (part of FxFactory) or Irudis Tonalizer.

> (In trim, why can't you just drag the head or tail marker, rather than counter-intuitively slide the film strip in relation to it?)

Forget the Precision Trimmer. Use the Trim mode (T key).

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] FCP-X grading question

 

Hi,

I am trying to put together a usable workflow for taking film scan files (which are 3296 x 2472 12-bit Cineform files) and tweaking them in FCP-X.

Right now I am creating proxy files from the original scan files (which takes a long time, and may be a bad idea) that are 1920 x 1080.

I add cuts where I need to change grading. I use Color Adjustment and the somewhat odd Color Board and am able to get a reasonable result most of the time.

However, since the Color Adjustment is not an effect, but an event property (if that's the right term) it can't be keyframed. Often in film material you need to do what film timers used to call a "go-to" which is a mid-shot correction. I can do this brute-force -- a change at a cut -- but what I need is the ability to dissolve between two different settings over a variable length of time -- from a few frames to a second or more.

My 1990 DaVinci Classic let me easily dissolve between two settings. When I used a Meridien Symphony I would just add a cut and do a dissolve between the two different clips of the same shot. A little messy but workable.

When I try to do this in FCP-X (which I am admittedly very new to) I can never get the dissolve to work -- the shots do not remain in sync during the dissolve!

I searched for a keyframable effect for color correction but only found a lot of silly presets that had limited parameters to adjust. Am I missing something here?

Obviously I should be using something like DaVinci Resolve here, or Speedgrade, or something else. But there are some things about FCP-X that might make it useful, though some of the interface stuff is insane. (In trim, why can't you just drag the head or tail marker, rather than counter-intuitively slide the film strip in relation to it?)

Any ideas?

I am also experimenting with Premiere Pro CS6, which has some virtues.

Jeff Kreines

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Re: [Avid-L2] DNxHD from Sony F3 Camera

 

Thanks.

Mike McDade

On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:56 AM, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes.
>
> On 7/22/2012 10:34 AM, Michael McDade wrote:
> > So consolidate just wraps the native xdcam ex files in a mxf wrapper? And places these new files media files folder?
> >
> > Michael McDade
> >
> >
> > On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Dylan Reeve <dylan@dylan.wibble.net> wrote:
> >
> >> It has to be an external recorder if it's DNxHD. If it is native XDCAM EX
> >> the media files will be .mp4...
> >>
> >> The specific workflow will vary, but with either XDCAM EX or DNxHD I would
> >> usually AMA link then Consolidate. They are natively supported codecs so
> >> that is just a file copy and rewrap process.
> >>
> >> Sent from my mobile. No, it's not a iPhone.
> >> On Jul 18, 2012 6:22 AM, "Benjamin Hershleder" <Ben@contactben.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
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> >>>
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> >>> Hey gang,
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone received DNxHD files from the Sony F3 camera in the past?
> >>> Any issues to be aware of?
> >>>
> >>> I'm assuming that I will simply take the .mxf video and audio files and
> >>> put them into my AvidMedia Files folder > 1 folder, launch MC, go to the
> >>> Media Tool and grab 'em out of there. Is this correct?
> >>>
> >>> TIA!
> >>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] DNxHD from Sony F3 Camera

 

Yes.

On 7/22/2012 10:34 AM, Michael McDade wrote:
> So consolidate just wraps the native xdcam ex files in a mxf wrapper? And places these new files media files folder?
>
> Michael McDade
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Dylan Reeve <dylan@dylan.wibble.net> wrote:
>
>> It has to be an external recorder if it's DNxHD. If it is native XDCAM EX
>> the media files will be .mp4...
>>
>> The specific workflow will vary, but with either XDCAM EX or DNxHD I would
>> usually AMA link then Consolidate. They are natively supported codecs so
>> that is just a file copy and rewrap process.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile. No, it's not a iPhone.
>> On Jul 18, 2012 6:22 AM, "Benjamin Hershleder" <Ben@contactben.com> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cross-Post to ACI-L & Avid-L
>>>
>>> Hey gang,
>>>
>>> Has anyone received DNxHD files from the Sony F3 camera in the past?
>>> Any issues to be aware of?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that I will simply take the .mxf video and audio files and
>>> put them into my AvidMedia Files folder > 1 folder, launch MC, go to the
>>> Media Tool and grab 'em out of there. Is this correct?
>>>
>>> TIA!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> B
>>> ---
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>>> http://ContactBen.com
>>> http://Hershleder.com
>>>
>>> Wear It In Post!
>>> Fun T-shirts, mousepads, mugs & more
>>> for Post Production Professionals
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Re: [Avid-L2] DNxHD from Sony F3 Camera

 

So consolidate just wraps the native xdcam ex files in a mxf wrapper? And places these new files media files folder?

Michael McDade

On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Dylan Reeve <dylan@dylan.wibble.net> wrote:

> It has to be an external recorder if it's DNxHD. If it is native XDCAM EX
> the media files will be .mp4...
>
> The specific workflow will vary, but with either XDCAM EX or DNxHD I would
> usually AMA link then Consolidate. They are natively supported codecs so
> that is just a file copy and rewrap process.
>
> Sent from my mobile. No, it's not a iPhone.
> On Jul 18, 2012 6:22 AM, "Benjamin Hershleder" <Ben@contactben.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cross-Post to ACI-L & Avid-L
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> Has anyone received DNxHD files from the Sony F3 camera in the past?
>> Any issues to be aware of?
>>
>> I'm assuming that I will simply take the .mxf video and audio files and
>> put them into my AvidMedia Files folder > 1 folder, launch MC, go to the
>> Media Tool and grab 'em out of there. Is this correct?
>>
>> TIA!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> B
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With a Yahoo account tied to your subscription to the Avid-L2, you can use the web features of the Group.

Calendar Various Avid events are in the Calender. If you have an event you'd like posted, pull down and fill out the Calendar event request and send it to any Moderator

Database - The database area contains Avid Feature requests, Help Wanted, Freelance Listings and For Sale sections. Feel free to add your listings to any of these areas. Job Postings will remain up for 1 month. Please date all postings to the database areas, being pertinent is a good way to be.

Files- The files section contains various sundry files, including the latest Avid release notes. Check back often for changes.

Photos - Pictures of your Avid setup are welcome, or pictures relating to a post you need a photo to explain. Photos will be posted after moderator approval. Who knows, your picture might grace the front page for a while.

Links- Various helpful links, including direct links to Avid CPR releases can be found here, also the link to the archives.

JDS

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