Sunday, April 22, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Today's HULLFISH TIP

 

I'm a big believer in the locator window, and the fact that you can use it to sort by comment, by TC, or by locator color. This to me is one of the biggest advantages of the locator function in MC over those miserable FCP markers, which can't be added to media tracks except by double clicking segments, and then slide out of sync if you add them to the TC track. Ick!

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@earthlink.net>
To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Today's HULLFISH TIP

We usually add our locators, sans comments. Then using the Locator Window we
enter our comments and often use the Locator Window to navigate between
different locators. The Locator Window is very convenient tool, but it seems
that a lot of people don't think of using it.

Jay

On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Anna Hovhannessian wrote:

>
> Thanks Steve, good to know.
>
> This is where Final Cut is more convenient. You hit the key twice for the
comment box to open, once if you just want to leave a "marker". What a concept.
>
> Knowing how frequently locators are used, it would be nice if AVID thought up
a similar method. It's all or nothing? Why?
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:07 PM, John Beck <jb30343@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> Terence, I'm not in front of a MC right now but if I can remember back
>> to this afternoon... you can still add locators on the fly without the
>> comment window popping up. Unless they've deproved something that I
>> haven't noticed, one might be able to get around the new "Enter" key
>> function by hitting "play", then immediately hitting an "add locator"
>> key. Not exactly elegant but it might be a semi workable way to have
>> the comment box there when you want it without having to click the close
>> box when you don't. --J.B.
>>
>> Terence Curren wrote:
>>> Return still causes a return as expected. Enter does nothing.
>>>
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>>>
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>>> <<Traditionally there is a difference between enter and return with the
locator box. Usually those are interchangable but not in the locator window. I
think enter closes the box and return is a line carriage.>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Thunderbolt SATA dock?

 

which will run osx like a champ

Cheers,
jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kedor <mikedor@gmail.com>
To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Thunderbolt SATA dock?

From all the reading I've done on Thunderbolt, it's speeds are dependent on motherboard architecture, and PCIe expansion cards will not be able to perform at the peak speeds Thunderbolt promises.

This from MacRumors forums:

"As the Thunderbolt interface uses PCI protocols, it would actually be reasonably straight-forward to devise and implement a PCI-e card to carry a Thunderbolt host controller chip. Unfortunately, because it would not be able to use the high speed interlock channels that are only accessible on the motherboard, the speed of the interface would be severely restricted -- even if a PCI-e x16 slot (normally used for graphics cards) was used, maximum speed would never be able to exceed 1.8 Gbps.

To gain the full speed of Thunderbolt, the host chip must be placed on the main motherboard with direct access to the chipset ... and currently the only chipset that supports PCI interlock is the new 'Sandy Bridge' series (P67, PM67, H67, HM67)."

Michael Kedor
paintingwithlife.com

On Apr 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Dylan Reeve wrote:

> You'd need a drive with both Thunderbolt and eSATA interfaces then I guess.
> Not sure if that exists or is likely to.
>
> As I understand it Apple had an exclusive license on Thunderbolt for a
> while (it's not their technology, it's Intel's) but I believe that's
> opening up now, so maybe we'll see more interesting uses of it as well as
> Thunderbolt expansion cards - should be possible I believe.
>
> Dylan Reeve
> http://dylanreeve.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:38 AM, eli tishberg <etishberg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> My problem is that I need to go the other way ( that's what she said!)
>>
>> I want to connect my Mac pro which has a sata card to thunderbolt, so I
>> can migrate footage to a portable drive I can travel with. A card would be
>> fine, but EVERY booth I asked at said Apple won't allow it. Atto, LaCie,
>> etc etc.
>>
>> I recently bought the macpro and assuming another one comes out with
>> thunderbolt, I don't really want to buy it again. Currently I use the
>> sonnet box to a 3/4 card. ( which is held with rubber ands since it doesn't
>> click in) to talk to ESATA graid which I transfer the material to.
>>
>> Thunderbolt has really been kind of a letdown, with not that many storage
>> options available. Promise, LaCie, and the sea gate with the $99 connector
>> option. I'd be happy with a 2tb mini-raid(2-2.5" drives) that had a ESATA
>> AND thunderbolt, but no one wants to go there either.
>>
>> Plus my raid uses a high point card so nothing will see it but a high
>> point card ( hardware raid obviously)
>>
>> eli tishberg
>> live director | editor
>> directoreditor.tv
>>
>>
>>
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 4:27 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Thunderbolt SATA dock?

 

From all the reading I've done on Thunderbolt, it's speeds are dependent on motherboard architecture, and PCIe expansion cards will not be able to perform at the peak speeds Thunderbolt promises.

This from MacRumors forums:

"As the Thunderbolt interface uses PCI protocols, it would actually be reasonably straight-forward to devise and implement a PCI-e card to carry a Thunderbolt host controller chip. Unfortunately, because it would not be able to use the high speed interlock channels that are only accessible on the motherboard, the speed of the interface would be severely restricted -- even if a PCI-e x16 slot (normally used for graphics cards) was used, maximum speed would never be able to exceed 1.8 Gbps.

To gain the full speed of Thunderbolt, the host chip must be placed on the main motherboard with direct access to the chipset ... and currently the only chipset that supports PCI interlock is the new 'Sandy Bridge' series (P67, PM67, H67, HM67)."

Michael Kedor
paintingwithlife.com

On Apr 22, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Dylan Reeve wrote:

> You'd need a drive with both Thunderbolt and eSATA interfaces then I guess.
> Not sure if that exists or is likely to.
>
> As I understand it Apple had an exclusive license on Thunderbolt for a
> while (it's not their technology, it's Intel's) but I believe that's
> opening up now, so maybe we'll see more interesting uses of it as well as
> Thunderbolt expansion cards - should be possible I believe.
>
> Dylan Reeve
> http://dylanreeve.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:38 AM, eli tishberg <etishberg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> My problem is that I need to go the other way ( that's what she said!)
>>
>> I want to connect my Mac pro which has a sata card to thunderbolt, so I
>> can migrate footage to a portable drive I can travel with. A card would be
>> fine, but EVERY booth I asked at said Apple won't allow it. Atto, LaCie,
>> etc etc.
>>
>> I recently bought the macpro and assuming another one comes out with
>> thunderbolt, I don't really want to buy it again. Currently I use the
>> sonnet box to a 3/4 card. ( which is held with rubber ands since it doesn't
>> click in) to talk to ESATA graid which I transfer the material to.
>>
>> Thunderbolt has really been kind of a letdown, with not that many storage
>> options available. Promise, LaCie, and the sea gate with the $99 connector
>> option. I'd be happy with a 2tb mini-raid(2-2.5" drives) that had a ESATA
>> AND thunderbolt, but no one wants to go there either.
>>
>> Plus my raid uses a high point card so nothing will see it but a high
>> point card ( hardware raid obviously)
>>
>> eli tishberg
>> live director | editor
>> directoreditor.tv
>>
>>
>>
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[Avid-L2] Re: Sapphire transition durations - how to change ?

 

Works just the same as a dissolve. Bottom of effects editor, enter duration, set whether it is center, start at transition, end at transition or custom.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "David" <k27usa@...> wrote:
>
> Working with Genarts Sapphire plugin for the first time with the MC advanced keyframe editor and trying to change a transition duration. There does not seem to be any quick way - do I have to actually go and start diddling with the individual keyframes ?
> Should'nt there be a quick and painless way to change an effects or transitions overall duration ? Anyone know this ??
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave b
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Thunderbolt SATA dock?

You'd need a drive with both Thunderbolt and eSATA interfaces then I guess.
Not sure if that exists or is likely to.

As I understand it Apple had an exclusive license on Thunderbolt for a
while (it's not their technology, it's Intel's) but I believe that's
opening up now, so maybe we'll see more interesting uses of it as well as
Thunderbolt expansion cards - should be possible I believe.

Dylan Reeve
http://dylanreeve.com/


On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:38 AM, eli tishberg <etishberg@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> My problem is that I need to go the other way ( that's what she said!)
>
> I want to connect my Mac pro which has a sata card to thunderbolt, so I
> can migrate footage to a portable drive I can travel with. A card would be
> fine, but EVERY booth I asked at said Apple won't allow it. Atto, LaCie,
> etc etc.
>
> I recently bought the macpro and assuming another one comes out with
> thunderbolt, I don't really want to buy it again. Currently I use the
> sonnet box to a 3/4 card. ( which is held with rubber ands since it doesn't
> click in) to talk to ESATA graid which I transfer the material to.
>
> Thunderbolt has really been kind of a letdown, with not that many storage
> options available. Promise, LaCie, and the sea gate with the $99 connector
> option. I'd be happy with a 2tb mini-raid(2-2.5" drives) that had a ESATA
> AND thunderbolt, but no one wants to go there either.
>
> Plus my raid uses a high point card so nothing will see it but a high
> point card ( hardware raid obviously)
>
> eli tishberg
> live director | editor
> directoreditor.tv
>
>
>


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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 4:04 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Today's HULLFISH TIP

 

Cool! Thanks.

I take the FCP comment back!

On Apr 21, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Michael Brockington <brocking@sfu.ca> wrote:

> If you set the marker option to 'Disable Locator popup when adding' the
> MC behaviour is the same as FCP -- once to add, a second time to open.
>
> Cheers,
> --Michael
>
> On 12-04-21 11:59 AM, Anna Hovhannessian wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks Steve, good to know.
> >
> > This is where Final Cut is more convenient. You hit the key twice for
> > the comment box to open, once if you just want to leave a "marker".
> > What a concept.
> >
> > Knowing how frequently locators are used, it would be nice if AVID
> > thought up a similar method. It's all or nothing? Why?
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:07 PM, John Beck <jb30343@windstream.net
> > <mailto:jb30343%40windstream.net>> wrote:
> >
> > > Terence, I'm not in front of a MC right now but if I can remember back
> > > to this afternoon... you can still add locators on the fly without the
> > > comment window popping up. Unless they've deproved something that I
> > > haven't noticed, one might be able to get around the new "Enter" key
> > > function by hitting "play", then immediately hitting an "add locator"
> > > key. Not exactly elegant but it might be a semi workable way to have
> > > the comment box there when you want it without having to click the
> > close
> > > box when you don't. --J.B.
> > >
> > > Terence Curren wrote:
> > > > Return still causes a return as expected. Enter does nothing.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "johnrobmoore"<bigfish@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <<Traditionally there is a difference between enter and return
> > with the locator box. Usually those are interchangable but not in the
> > locator window. I think enter closes the box and return is a line
> > carriage.>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Sapphire transition durations - how to change ?

When you open the Effect Editor, does the duration not appear at the
bottom...can you click it and change it?

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, David wrote:

> **
>
>
> Working with Genarts Sapphire plugin for the first time with the MC
> advanced keyframe editor and trying to change a transition duration. There
> does not seem to be any quick way - do I have to actually go and start
> diddling with the individual keyframes ?
> Should'nt there be a quick and painless way to change an effects or
> transitions overall duration ? Anyone know this ??
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave b
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AMA Relink Question

 

Isn't this what Metacheater does?

Mike

On 21/04/12 2:15 AM, "Barnaby Levy" <barnabylevy@gmail.com> wrote:

>Adding tape names to the AMA linked files added problems if the tape names
>were not added at the proper moment, and as AMA linked files have no
>relationship to a project, it seems to make them having tape names
>irrelevant. I am going to test QTchange where I can add a tape name and
>create an ALE, then import the ALE and see if relink to AMA works...unless
>someone else has tried this and knows if it can be done...
>Barnaby
>323.401.8642
>
>
>On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Pat Horridge <pat@horridge.org.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> In the relink dialogue you must uncheck the "media from current project"
>> I'd first "hide" the dnx36 media as its HD media and choosing link to
>>any
>> HD resolution may select the dnx36 media.
>> Make sure all the AMA volumes are mounted first as well and those bins
>> open.
>> And if a normal relink doesn't bring all the clips back online try the
>> "selected open bins" option.
>>
>> Pat from his mobile
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[Avid-L2] Sapphire transition durations - how to change ?

 

Working with Genarts Sapphire plugin for the first time with the MC advanced keyframe editor and trying to change a transition duration. There does not seem to be any quick way - do I have to actually go and start diddling with the individual keyframes ?
Should'nt there be a quick and painless way to change an effects or transitions overall duration ? Anyone know this ??

Thanks

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Thunderbolt SATA dock?

 

Thunderbolt and usb3 are big dissapointments.  Tbolt because there are no hub interfaces.  Usb3 because they don't daisychain.  Good thing about MacEnSteins is they are easier to modify the hardware To run sata 6g, etc and usb3 both.

Jim Gilson
678-849-6145

eli tishberg <etishberg@gmail.com> wrote:

My problem is that I need to go the other way ( that's what she said!)

I want to connect my Mac pro which has a sata card to thunderbolt, so I can migrate footage to a portable drive I can travel with. A card would be fine, but EVERY booth I asked at said Apple won't allow it. Atto, LaCie, etc etc.

I recently bought the macpro and assuming another one comes out with thunderbolt, I don't really want to buy it again. Currently I use the sonnet box to a 3/4 card. ( which is held with rubber ands since it doesn't click in) to talk to ESATA graid which I transfer the material to.

Thunderbolt has really been kind of a letdown, with not that many storage options available. Promise, LaCie, and the sea gate with the $99 connector option. I'd be happy with a 2tb mini-raid(2-2.5" drives) that had a ESATA AND thunderbolt, but no one wants to go there either.

Plus my raid uses a high point card so nothing will see it but a high point card ( hardware raid obviously)

eli tishberg
live director | editor
directoreditor.tv

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[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@...> wrote:

>Why not let stuff like CC for companies like Baselight, rather than spending Avid >R&D money on inventing the wheel? Let Avid spend their time on opening up AVX so >Baselight (and others) can use it to build on the MC base? Everyone would win, and >the resulting product could be a killer.

Agreed ... entirely.

I don't know why Avid did not see the utility of this approach long ago. Concentrate on your core competencies and refine the platform -- and open the application to best-of-breed providers who will build out the ecosystem and infrastructure at no additional R&D cost. And, who will add immeasurable value to the product.

To a very large extent, Avid long-ago adopted this approach with their effects module. There are obviously many others, but BCC and Avid FX are typically "bundled" with the core app and they are both produced by 3rd party company Boris.

And during this time, little or no progress has been made with Avid's own home-brewed effects -- some of which have limitations that are laughable in the year 2012. Unfortunately, the big limiting factors are Avid's seeming unwillingness to upgrade the effects -- and a fundamental effects architecture is more antiquated and obsolete than the CC tools.

How much happier would we all be if we could have the choice of fully-integrated apps like Resolve or Baselight running in MC/Symphony. I realize it's obviously not that simple -- and that there are many issues to consider when you hand the reins of your product to another company. But does Avid really have the time, money and expertise to compete on a feature-basis with those programs -- and then to keep-up with them going forward?

The same goes for effects. I'd gladly pay for a fully-integrated, node-based, professionally-authored effects package that released me from Avid's dated effects palette and architecture. And, I guess we are getting a bit closer to that with Eyeon Fusion -- but that may be more specialized than many "generalist" editors require.

I'm sure it's not easy to manage Avid's finite assets. And it can't be easy to compete in a highly-dynamic market with companies that have very deep resources -- selling products that are dramatically dropping in price (with associated reduced profit margins). I'm sure it's nothing to celebrate -- and I empathize.

However, and with no offense intended, crippling MC and Symphony does no one any good -- not Avid -- and not us. Open I/O was finally an overdue step in the right direction -- and the market has rewarded Avid. Maybe it's time to replicate the same approach to other aspects of the program that need the infusion of professional-caliber tools that cannot be cost-effectively produced in-house. One thing is certain, 11-year upgrade cycles for CC and Effects tools is simply not acceptable to professional users.

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:21 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

My guess is you are giving the AVX architecture more credit than it deserves. I constantly hear from third party vendors all the things they can't do because of AVX's limitations.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@...> wrote:

<<Would they allow AVX CC plugins to access the source metadata, then those plugins should be able to pull it off too, I reckon. >>

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[Avid-L2] Re: MC V6.0 Effects Editor

 

Before changing buttons and colors, it may be worthwhile for Avid marketing and it's agency of record to figure out what the Avid brand IS, and what is it's message to the user base, current and future. Thats where you create the connection and loyalty. Then you can change the buttons....

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, David Colantuoni <david.colantuoni@...> wrote:
>
> A few people have contacted me off list about this. This is about a unifying look, not about functionality. Sorry if I was not clear on that. Each product has its own identity and user experience and that's up to the individual product teams to define. Avid made a commitment to unify its brand a few years back (ie- Pinnacle Studio is now Avid Studio). UI came along for the ride. It's about brand and brand awareness. Most large companies have a unified way for their UI. It's an important element so customers identify with Avid products through a visual and hopefully emotional connection.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> David Colantuoni
> Product Management - Professional Video Editors and Effects | P&S Creative Professional
>
>
>
> From: "Knut A. Helgeland" <knut@...<mailto:knut@...>>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Date: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:43 AM
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor
>
>
>
> On 20. apr. 2012, at 03:52, David Colantuoni wrote:
>
> > We have a design team at Avid unifying all of the UI in all products to have a similar look.
>
> My question then would be "why"? When it's obvious that a design concept/paradigm is breaking with established user experiences, it's not a good idea. All design concepts are not good design concepts, and often they're not even design concepts, but initiated from foreign considerations like engineering constraints, or economics, or 'taste'.
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> PS Please do not inform this 'UI unifying design team' that Avid has a product called DS.
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[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

> Posted by: johnrobmoore
> Haven't spent any time on a SMac. Is it necessary to render
> on SMac to see a grade? Is this true for the newly
> redesigned smoke too?

I played with Smoke 2013 on a MBP - no external monitor - at the NAB booth. A single layer of any effect would run in real-time without processing (rendering). When I added a second effect or a transition to a clip with an effect, I had to process for real-time playback, otherwise that section went black during play.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Thunderbolt SATA dock?

 

My problem is that I need to go the other way ( that's what she said!)

I want to connect my Mac pro which has a sata card to thunderbolt, so I can migrate footage to a portable drive I can travel with. A card would be fine, but EVERY booth I asked at said Apple won't allow it. Atto, LaCie, etc etc.

I recently bought the macpro and assuming another one comes out with thunderbolt, I don't really want to buy it again. Currently I use the sonnet box to a 3/4 card. ( which is held with rubber ands since it doesn't click in) to talk to ESATA graid which I transfer the material to.

Thunderbolt has really been kind of a letdown, with not that many storage options available. Promise, LaCie, and the sea gate with the $99 connector option. I'd be happy with a 2tb mini-raid(2-2.5" drives) that had a ESATA AND thunderbolt, but no one wants to go there either.

Plus my raid uses a high point card so nothing will see it but a high point card ( hardware raid obviously)

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