Sunday, June 26, 2011

[Avid-L2] Re: The FCPX thread

 

Another post.

http://tinyurl.com/682t2ku

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[Avid-L2] Re: [FCP-L] Adobe, "The Other White Meat"?

 

Is there a Premiere-L ?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The FCPX thread

From the comments by Frank Leeman which appear below the blog pos linked belowt:
"...it in fact seems to be LESS flexible than old FCP. FCPX forces you to let it do all the thinking. But it's not flexible enough to adapt to your preferences and workflow. And that is something I don't think they're going to solve with plug ins and upgrades. And that's also something a lot of professionals, that work with weird formats and requests are going to hate about it. The software is dictating the way they have to think, as opposed to having software adjust to the way they like to work."

The Blog Post:
"What does the guy who led the original Final Cut Pro revolution think of the Final Cut Pro X release?"
by Josh Mellicker
http://tinyurl.com/3asxcqz


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On Jun 26, 2011, at 7:42 AM, gary@videoguys.com wrote:

>
>
> > C'mon Avid!
> > Extend that $995 offer so you don't lose this burgeoning market to Adobe.
> > You've been handed a gift. Take it!
>
> While Avid has not yet officially extended to program. We still
> have inventory on hand and it looks like we will be getting at least
> another shipment! We are alos now working with BorisFX on a bundle
> that will include their Transfer FCP utility http://www.borisfx.com/AAF/
>
> I just posted an article on our blog about Avid, and their
> commitment to professional editors and their willingness to listen to
> their customers.
>
> Avid - The Professional's Choice. Always was. It's that simple.
> http://goo.gl/5x54g
>
> Gary
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: [FCP-L] Adobe, "The Other White Meat"?

 


On Jun 26, 2011, at 10:52 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Good to know. Thanks for the clarification. The look was however, "Priceless." ;-) It's not like you'd had a busy week or anything like that....

And truthfully it started as a "I have no idea" look and when it got a great response I went with it. I really just didn't know.

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[Avid-L2] Re: [FCP-L] Adobe, "The Other White Meat"?

 

Good to know. Thanks for the clarification. The look was however, "Priceless." ;-) It's not like you'd had a busy week or anything like that....

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Philip Hodgetts <philip@...> wrote:
>
> I wanted to clarify that go to Timecode is present in both Browser and Project timelines.
>
> I did not receive email, twitter, phone call or any contact from Apple. I simply went to the app's manual and looked.
>
> Sorry for the misleading quizzical look on Friday night.
>
>
>
>
> Philip Hodgetts
> President, Intelligent Assistance
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>
> Personal Blog http://philiphodgetts.com
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[Avid-L2] Re: [FCP-L] Adobe, "The Other White Meat"?

 

I wanted to clarify that go to Timecode is present in both Browser and Project timelines.

I did not receive email, twitter, phone call or any contact from Apple. I simply went to the app's manual and looked.

Sorry for the misleading quizzical look on Friday night.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Why fcpx is bad for avid

 


Thanks Bart, that makes sense. Yes, FCP has always been better with third party graphics than MC.

Best,
Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Bart van den Broek <bart@filmdoc.nl>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 2:28 am
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Why fcpx is bad for avid

I'm sorry for using the term 'finishing'.
Must be the language barrier. We don't do any grading in fcp we send our avid
projects to baselight etc. But when it gets back as uncompressed qt the easiest
way to get some graphics, titles and other stuff in is fcp before putting it on
tape or export it. I understand there are beautiful systems that can do that
even faster (at another pricepoint) but doing it in mc will really slow things
down. Time consuming import or not reliable ama mounting, bad graphical
workflow, quality problems etc.
You would need a lot of third party tools to get it right. So im not saying fcp
is the perfect tool for this but much more flexible than mc.

Bart van den Broek

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid Mentors

I think it's a great way to reach out and help folks in need and to show them the power of Avid MC.

Here's an older tutorial they can access right now.
Even though it references an old product, the main concepts are still valid.
http://hershleder.com/content/final-cut-pro-to-avid-introductory-tutorial

Here's some MC Quick Start videos that are very recent:
http://tinyurl.com/5uznhwh

PLUG:
If there are folks that want customized Avid MC training in the L.A. area (or anywhere for that matter - I just did some training for USAA in San Antonio), I hope they will consider my services.
http://hershleder.com/avid_training
Unfortunately, the timing is bad as I'm heading into directing and editing a project while also teaching at American Film Institute, and then I'm off to work on a feature film... all of this will have me pretty busy through the end of the year. However, since the minimum length of a training session is 4 hours I may be able to help them in whatever free moments I have.

Cheers,

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On Jun 26, 2011, at 3:42 AM, paul.hartel wrote:

> I'd be happy to help. (Sorry for the multiple messages probably; new to group and responded first from within my email.) Anyway, when I've got time I can move around the LA area pretty easily. As a long time user of both, I think Avid's easier, simpler, so I'm surprised by the WTF?
>
> paul hartel
> avid/fcp
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dylan Reeve <dylan@...> wrote:
> >
> > So already I've heard from a couple of experienced FCP editors who have
> > downloaded the MC Trial and are going "WTF?" - I've offered to let them come
> > spend a few hours with mein the suite to go over some of the basics...
> > There's plenty of training material and tutorials available, but sometimes
> > the easiest thing is just to go and sit with someone who knows what they are
> > doing for a while.
> >
> > I was then wondering if it's perhaps it would be a good idea to try and
> > scale this idea - get together a list of people who'd be happy to spend a
> > few hours helping a disaffected FCP editor understand how to properly
> > evaluate Media Composer...
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Dylan Reeve
> > http://dylanreeve.com/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: The FCPX thread

 



> C'mon Avid!
> Extend that $995 offer so you don't lose this burgeoning market to Adobe.
> You've been handed a gift. Take it!

While Avid has not yet officially extended to program. We still
have inventory on hand and it looks like we will be getting at least
another shipment! We are alos now working with BorisFX on a bundle
that will include their Transfer FCP utility http://www.borisfx.com/AAF/

I just posted an article on our blog about Avid, and their
commitment to professional editors and their willingness to listen to
their customers.

Avid - The Professional's Choice. Always was. It's that simple. 
http://goo.gl/5x54g

Gary

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[Avid-L2] Re: Why fcpx is bad for avid

 

yeah, and then FCP went on to kick Avid's ass...that's the Deja Vu I am seeing with all this "not pro" rhetoric...

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsengpiehl" <jeffsengpiehl@...> wrote:
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> Here's the thing- you never could. They aren't a video editing software company, this is NOT what they do.
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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid Mentors

 

I'd be happy to help. (Sorry for the multiple messages probably; new to group and responded first from within my email.) Anyway, when I've got time I can move around the LA area pretty easily. As a long time user of both, I think Avid's easier, simpler, so I'm surprised by the WTF?

paul hartel
avid/fcp

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dylan Reeve <dylan@...> wrote:
>
> So already I've heard from a couple of experienced FCP editors who have
> downloaded the MC Trial and are going "WTF?" - I've offered to let them come
> spend a few hours with mein the suite to go over some of the basics...
> There's plenty of training material and tutorials available, but sometimes
> the easiest thing is just to go and sit with someone who knows what they are
> doing for a while.
>
> I was then wondering if it's perhaps it would be a good idea to try and
> scale this idea - get together a list of people who'd be happy to spend a
> few hours helping a disaffected FCP editor understand how to properly
> evaluate Media Composer...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Dylan Reeve
> http://dylanreeve.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Why fcpx is bad for avid

 

I'm sorry for using the term 'finishing'.
Must be the language barrier. We don't do any grading in fcp we send our avid projects to baselight etc. But when it gets back as uncompressed qt the easiest way to get some graphics, titles and other stuff in is fcp before putting it on tape or export it. I understand there are beautiful systems that can do that even faster (at another pricepoint) but doing it in mc will really slow things down. Time consuming import or not reliable ama mounting, bad graphical workflow, quality problems etc.
You would need a lot of third party tools to get it right. So im not saying fcp is the perfect tool for this but much more flexible than mc.

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[Avid-L2] Response to David Pogue¹s³Professional Video Editors Weigh In on Final Cut Pro X² *Updated June 25*

 

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[Avid-L2] Re: Sapphire Q

 

So we haven't yet figured this out but we did find out that the cpu's these symphonys are running on are Vista Business 64 if that means anything.

KEN

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "ksirul" <kenavid2@...> wrote:
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> Symphony 5.5.2
> Sapphire 3.04
>
> Occasionally, if I've made a title tool title, at some point later in the edit, if I add a Sapphire effect (I've been using Vignette and Film Look), the alpha from the title tool ends up on the image with the Sapphire. A restart of Symphony fixes it so it seems like a RAM related issue but it is very strange. This is happening on 2 different Symphonies.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Adobe, "The Other White Meat"?

Premiere Pro is the obvious answer for a great many FCP users though...
- Supports most of the same hardware
- Reads FCP projects
- Good ProRes support
- Very similar operation (and an FCP keyboard setting)
- Many already own it

My PPro experience is somewhat limited. It was among my recommendations for
a corporate client who is producing in-house video podcast content, and it
works well, but I find it remarkably unintuitive being experienced in After
Effects. Not sure how it stands up on bigger projects or complex
multi-editor installations, but it certainly doesn't have a reputation for
broadcast and film work, but neither did FCP for a while, and it's about to
get a big bump up in the industry.

IMHO Avid really needs to do two things to make Media Composer more
appealing in the face of that - support for Kona and Decklink cards (at
least) and an included tool for FCP project import. If they can't provide
those very soon then they need to at least announce a commitement to making
them happen and suggest a timeframe (which is more than Apple is doing with
any of it's "we'll fix it" lines).

Dylan Reeve
http://dylanreeve.com/


On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> So with all the talk about FCPX not a fit for broadcast pros right now both
> Avid and Adobe seem to be the front runners to replace FCP for those that
> need to expand etc.... I've never heard glowing remarks about Premier Pro
> when it comes to long form or collaborative workflows with lots of editors
> working on the same project. I've heard that Adobe's interaction between
> the suite is impressive and the meta data holds a lot of promise. The weak
> link is Premier Pro from all I've heard. It's the conduit through which a
> lot of projects get passed around the suite but when it comes to down right
> editing long form documentary etc.... projects I've heard it becomes
> unstable and I don't know if there is any real project sharing over a san
> network available. This makes me feel like in my world of shared storage
> and project sharing that Avid seems the only choice aside from the various
> news room systems from GVG/Edius. Curious what others' experiences
> with Premier Pro and full tilt reality with some form of project sharing if
> it exists.
>
> John Moore
>
> Barking Trout Productions
>
> Studio City, CA
>
> bigfish@pacbell.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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