My conversation was not last NAB but the one before so it is possible much has changed. I will have to play with the software to find out more specifics. Does anyone using the software know if the interface will allow you to examine field by field to access proper cadence and check for flash fields. Given my current delivery I am very mindful of sending patches with proper cadence. The network is apparently able to insert patch files so I wonder what software they are using to accomplish this. Given it's a cable network I wonder if this would be something done by a Clipster or equivalent software. But wait isn't Cinedeck and now this software considered the first to allow inserts into files? That's what I recall with the Cinedeck when it started offering the insert option.
---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:42 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I won't argue about this but I can't imagine at it's core the cineXinsert is any different thaan a Cinedeck. A cinedeck may look like a deck but it's just a PC with video cards that happens to look like a deck and to some degree be controllable like a deck. I was told by the creator of the cinedeck if it was an out of house file the cinedeck would have to do some processing to the file. I would be very surprised if that's not also the case with the software app. Do you really think this is a completely different set of code from what's in the cinedeck? My gut says it's going to work just like a cinedeck with a different interface GUI. Why reinvent the wheel?
---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :This thread is NOT about the Cinedeck. It's about cineXinsert. So none of those points are valid for that item.From the site:Cinedeck Insert-Edit currently supports Apple ProRes, Avid DNxHD ond AVC-lntra, JPEG200 and XDCAM files. The content can be contained in a MOV (quicktime), MXF Op1A, or MXF OpAtom wrapper and the files to be edited can be from anywhere. They might come from Final Cut, Media Composer, Premiere or any number of other production systems … In any case, they do not need to be Cinedeck generated; but of course, Cinedeck files can be edited as well. As long as your file is not some sort of non-standard creation, Insert-Edit can make changes in it and save you time.It is also important to point out that the resulting file is NOT some form of MXF package or Quicklime Reference file. Unlike the process of editing the metadata of something like a MXF AS-11 file to point to content newly added into the package, when an insert is done using Cinedeck's Insert-Edit, you are actually replacing parts of the original flat video and audio essence.THIS MEANS SEVERAL THINGS:The process not limited to AS- 11 files.The Cinedeck system can change MOV, MXF OpAtom, MXF Op1A or the more specific DPP Op1A files, containing ProRes, DNxHD or AVC-lntra essence.Because changes are being written into the flat audio and video essence, file compatibility is maintained.The resulting file after inserting is the same file; it'sjust that some audio or video frames were replaced.And for those of you who are curious, Cinedeck is not stopping there. The Cinedeck recording systems support just about every codec used in production today so additional codec support for Insert-Edit is planned.On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:01 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I haven't run a cinedeck but there are restrictions to the "insert" that can be made. Codecs is one thing and I believe you pay for various codecs that you can use for insertable files. I'm sure if buying a Cinedeck etc... gives you access to all the codecs it can work with or if it's a pay per codec deal. I seem to recall that you'd paid for the option of using a particular codec.
Also if the file was not originally an cinedeck made file, a.k.a. out of house file like the old days of out of house masters, then cinedeck has to do some preprocessing to the file before it can insert into it.
---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <tcurren@...> wrote :Bouke,I am confused on this. Do I need to flatten out the mov after insert? The whole point is to just do an insert and be done which is what Cinedeck does.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote :la la laIf someone wants to pay me, I'll add sound insertion as well…On Jun 7, 2016, at 23:04, tcurren@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Heck, I didn't design it. ;-)
BTW: The email I received said you can save $150.00 until Thursday.Advance purchase option will be available through Thursday, June 9th. Use code "10advance" for a 10% discount.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <kahelia@...> wrote :Yes I totally see that. It may pay for itself in one instant if it's the right tool to save a job. I may even have to buy it someday.Still is expensive and hideous though ;-)K
In my universe, it won't take long for that to pay for itself when I don't have to reexport and re-QC hour long TV shows when a lower third is changed.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <kahelia@...> wrote :Very interesting. But also very not so much. It's US$ 1,5k for a quicktime insert tool with a hideous interface.K
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