This IS the Avid L2: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive

Yes, you can hold film up to the light and see an image with your eye. But so what. What does that get you. How many places sill do film scanning? Quite a few you say? Well, how does that number compare to 10 years ago? Oh, right, and now you see that film will be a difficult medium to retrieve from in another 10 years.

I think something might be being missed. And that is the future business of archived data restoration. And that can be a aspect of a post business. Having a room somewhere that has some older model computers being kept and a shelf of boot drives that have various OS versions on them. So you can rebuild a Win98 or OS9 (or Linux) machine to access someones archived data. Along with a film scanner and a bench. And a DigiBeta, and D5HD deck. And an iOmega disk reader, etc. It's going to be a niche business, but someone will be doing it.

Jay

On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Terence Curren wrote:

> Hi Rupert,
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> I would like something at least as enduring as properly stored film. We can still scan (or hold up to the light and see) 100 year old films. I can't read a floppy disc I made 6 years ago.
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> While post houses haven't traditionally been in that business, clients traditionally had videotape or film archives. Now that everything is shot file based, how do you economically protect that footage for possible use 15 years from now.
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> Bear in mind that footage may be worthless, as most is. On the other hand, it could be a special behind the scenes moment of someone who goes on to become famous and beloved and suddenly dies tragic death rendering that footage near invaluable. So it can't be expensive or difficult to archive as most will be a waste. But the opportunity to preserve it all so that special little bit of footage also survives is important.
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> Ease, low cost, and guaranteed to be recoverable in 20 years regardless of what happens to computers (they won't exist), standards (current ones will all be gone by then) and environment (tape rot, discs dying, etc.)
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> BluRay has the most potential I see at the moment. It should last longer than tape if what Sony says is true. But being able to read that BluRay in 30 years is anything BUT guaranteed.
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> And so the debate, and quest continues. (If you're rich, archive to film and store it in a salt mine)
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Watson" wrote:
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>> Terry
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>> What is on your wish list that the vendors have not provided?
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>> And did you mean archiving or backup? They are different beasts. Is a
>> post house really in the business of archiving? Do you have customers
>> who will pay you for that?
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>> Rupert Watson
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>> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Terence Curren
>> Sent: 22 January 2013 16:23
>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: what are yall using to archive
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>> Every year we hold a PreNAB Editors' Lounge panel. (this will be our
>> 10th year) we have a panel that prognosticates, kvetches, wishes for new
>> things, etc. And for at least the last 5 years, one of the main subjects
>> that comes up has been archiving. And every year we all agree that there
>> isn't an ideal solution in place yet. I anticipate the same this year.
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>> How can such a potentially huge market go so unanswered?
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>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ,
>> "pat_adc" wrote:
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>>> Yes we've avoided Blu-ray as Archives. DVD-Rs were never that stable
>> so no reason to think BD-R would be much better.
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>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ,
>> "Terence Curren" wrote:
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>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ,
>> mike cardeiro wrote:
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>>>> "I hate it when companies make claims like this. Blue ray hasn't
>> been around long enough for them to know how it holds up after 10 years.
>> 50 years? puh-leze."
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>>>> Same thing I always give them a hard time about. Basically, they use
>> a testing rig that simulates passage of time by exposing to extremes.
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