Ken. Thanks. Just spouting off.
You describe Symphony's strong suit well. Although the Color Corrector could use
a big refresh.
We too were romanced by DS. There was a time a few years ago we were looking at
moving to an all DS shop. This was the first time they offered a software only
version. But before we could decide they discontinued that program.
I don't know enough about DS to guess how multiple seats would work it
collaborative SAN environment.
They announced the new DS software version about a month after we took delivery
of our OS X Smoke.
Always been curious about it and wonder why Avid keeps it such a secret.
Christopher Magid
RTVF
________________________________
From: ksirul <kenavid2@glueedit.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 2:03:20 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony
I for one like the rants Chris. I got my Symphony about the same time you did
and your arguments and frustration are certainly shared. Symphony is still a
great finishing tool for most TV and even HD theatrical situations. Mainly for
straight ahead color correction. Since Avid bought DS, I've become quite a DS
head though. I still love cutting on Avid but get quite frustrated with basic
compositing, stills moves (pan and scan is still a joke and Moving Picture is
good only until you need to composite your stills with other elements) and
graphics. Just today I made a title in title tool and noticed how soft it
looked. That is unacceptable. I am looking forward to our 5.5 upgrade next
week.
KEN
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@...> wrote:
>
> Well. That is a good question.
>
> Couple of reasons.
>
> We know them backwards and forwards, warts and all. Learning takes a lot of
> time.
>
> We have a 7 seat Windows based Avid workgroup so any reactionary changes would
> mean substantial investment. 4 Symphonys and 3 Composers. All current. (We also
>
> have one lonely OS X Smoke).
>
> The above represents quite an investment in time and money. I would like a
> return on it.
>
> That is what taking care of your customers is all about.
>
> Avid's do many things well.
>
> Composers are excellent "cut-n-trim" editors. Composer does a very good job
> handling multiple resolutions and frame rates. Media management can be good.
> Symphony does nice realtime down and cross converts. Etc.
>
> Most important to us is workgroup and shared workflow.
>
> To extend my earlier metaphor. These are Chevy Cavalier things. The product,
> complete with problems, still seems like a good value at the Composer price
> point.
>
> Those problems and issues become a heck of lot less acceptable at Symphony's
> "Cadillac" price point, hurt by being anchored to Nitris DX hardware.
>
> It just doesn't measure up to the marketing. Talking the walk, not walking the
> walk.
>
> And that is what this thread was about...Symphony. I've owned one since 1999.
> Seen this "advanced online finishing" rodeo twice before.
>
> I think Avid and their customers are best served by one unified product. Makes
> friends in the short term and lets us be presently surprised if the product
> grows up or features are added later.
>
> Yes I am a critic, a gullible one. I like happy endings.
>
> I hope Avid does get it right.
>
> Hope is a lot different than "know".
>
> So when I see stuff that needs fixing, I pipe up.
>
> Want to go over the list again?
> C.A.Magid
> RTVF
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "davidadodson@..." <davidadodson@...>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 11:35:00 AM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony
>
>
>
> Chris, why do you even continue to use Avid in your shop? You seem to have so
> much animus towards them, and absolutely zero faith in the future. So why are
> you still in?
>
> David
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes but Terence, nice doesn't always equal capable.
> >
> > Think this gets lost in criticism of a company or product.
> >
> > I am sure most, if not all, of the staff at Avid are great fellas and ladies.
>
> > The sort you would like to have a beer or glass of wine with. They like
> > sunshine, puppy dogs, loli-pops and rainbows. Many are smart, many are
> > dedicated. That doesn't always create results.
> >
> > Those are individual parts. Sometimes organizations don't quite know how or
>for
>
> >
> > some reason can't become a sum of those parts.
> >
> > So as a disclaimer, my criticism is directed at institutional issues,
>abilities
>
> >
> > and problems. Not people.
> >
> > Remember this is the same "new" company that dumped resources into smart
>tools
>
>
> > rather than more pressing issues. And personally I think the company has
> > misplayed quite a few hands lately. I really don't see a whole lot of great
> > stuff from the past few years.
> >
> > I wish them to not misplay any more hands. That is why I think they have to
> >kill
> >
> > Symphony. The alternative is fixing a lot of problems FAST and developing
>some
>
>
> > value infused additions FAST.
> >
> > That is a tall order for any firm.
> >
> > If they do it, I'll be first in line with a check ready.
> > Christopher Magid
> > RTVF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Terence Curren <tcurren@>
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:46:56 AM
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@> wrote:
> >
> > <<what leads you to believe this ends up different than Avid's past 2 tries
>at
>
>
> > making a real "on-line" editor?>>
> >
> > Faith in the current engineering team and company management. Again, look at
> >the
> >
> > last few years, not the history we are all painfully aware of.
> >
> > Here is a small example of the difference in the current management. The CEO
> >was
> >
> > booked to do Editors' Lounge a few months back. Of course his calendar has
> > fleshed out since then. So, he was in California on Wednesday for another
> > customer. Then back in NY Thursday AM for an investor thing, then back to LA
>on
>
> >
> > Friday for the Editors' Lounge to talk to editors face to face. Then a red
>eye
>
>
> > back East Friday night. Can you imagine any of the past CEOs of Avid doing
>that
>
> >
> > to make sure they are hearing their customers directly? Know any other NLE
>CEOs
>
> >
> > like that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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