This IS the Avid L2: Re: [Avid-L2] New pb / el capitan

Will thanks for that info. That helps me understand the playing field better. I think it was Oliver that pointed out a while back that you could open projects a few, I believe 2 versions, back. I've never had much success with the saving backwards compatible versions or requesting outside graphics people do so for me to have access on my older systems. Even the leap frogging games of CS 6 to CS 5 then CS 5 to CS 4 never worked out in my case but it's good to know I can request from the more Adobe savvy graphics people to send me things that might be more compatible on my system.

Too bad Premiere is the odd bird out and the one I foresee having to deal with the most. Come on Adobe make everything more like Photoshop.

---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :

I think the bigger issue is can you save backwards? For most Adobe apps, this isn't an issue, but for some reason they've decided to make it one with Premiere. My guess is that there's so much different going on under the hood in the CC2015 Premiere that it isn't possible to save backward. Makes sense to me.

If you ignore Premiere, you can probably still coast on with Mountain Lion for a while…

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:48 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It may be realistic and fair but the reality is that as a facility it makes it very difficult to maintain compatibility with existing infrastructure. Avid has always understood the market place they exist in and acted accordingly with backwards compatibility, even when it wasn't to their advantage. The bigger issue is those that often make the decisions about which tools to use have no clue about the underlying shortcomings of moving in an Adobe direction.

If I buy into the Adobe ecosystem it means I will always be on the most current system in order to be compatible with the known world. That has and I assume will wreak havoc on existing infrastructures that can not switch OS version all the time. For Adobe not to invest in the R&D to check for backwards OS compatibility is very unprofessional. Even if they don't do the R&D at least allow me to install on an older OS giving me a warning it may be a problem. The fact that I won't be able to open the latest Premiere project from on offsite stand alone editor is a real problem. At least let me install that version and see if it works. That's part of the price of admission to being in the broadcast sector again IMHO.

I guess it depends on how you view realistic and fair. Is it fair to expect the customer to deal with all the issues that happen when changing OS's just to use Adobe products? Traditionally manufactures for the broadcast industry have understood the importance of this. Of course Apple and now Adobe have been exceptions over the years but it's just not a pretty picture IMHO.

---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :

To be fair, Mountain Lion (Mac OS 10.8) was superseded by Mavericks (10.9) in 2013. I don't think it's outrageous that a 2015 software developer should have to support a three-years-old OS for their newest version. Yes, the Adobe CC 2015 update caught many by surprise when it was announced that 10.8 OS would not be supported, however, most of us took the news as 'realistic' and 'fair'.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not to mention that Adobe will start only working on El Cap if things go like they have so if you want to be able to open up a Premiere or AE project you'll have to be on El Cap just like I recently had to create a 10.9 startup drive to access CC 2015 thereby screwing up any chance of unity connection manager working for our legacy medianet 5's. It's not just planned obsolescence it's a completely unworkable land of force migrations creating forced incompatibilities. It's starting to make me want to go back to the PC symphony although that landscape seems to be changing all the time these days too.

I'd appreciate hearing if my feeling of the PC side of software being better in this regard. My gut says this is true but I've been so mac centric at work my PC chops aren't particularly current.

---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <tcurren@...> wrote :

Welcome to the new paradigm. :-(

---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <Job_L2@...> wrote :

"Bouke needs a new MBP, which comes with El Capitan. They are not doing him a favor, they are screwing him over."