Hi Brian,
1 - when you have a sequence made up of many group clips, you cannot watch that sequence in split view in your source monitor.
You can watch a grouped sequence from the timeline in a quad split in your source. As long as the grouped clip is on V1 and you are in multicam mode, as you play your sequence you will see a live quad/nine split or your other cameras in the source monitor.
2 - when cutting with your groups, matchback will only take you back to the individual group and not the whole sequence of the day.
Match framing from your sequence will take you first to the group clip, then match framing again will take you to the master clip, not a subclip. Our editors prefer to be able to go back to the master clip and not a sub clip. As far as I'm aware, it's not possible to match frame back to a sequence from another sequence? Or do I misunderstand?
3 - without making subclips, you will have parts of your groups that are not in sync (unless every camera on set cut at the same time, which probably doesn't happen). They will be in sync in the sequence you made, but they will have possible heads or tails not in sync that you will find when you matchback to the group from your timeline. This concept is a little hard to explain in writing.
As long as your sync map is in sync and you group by in point and not source tc your groups will be in sync. I think I understand what you are saying about heads or tails but this is not the case with the method I use. I've taken a bunch of screen grabs today and I'm going to do a google doc or something to explain what I do and why I like it a lot more than the subclip method. It may take a while due to work but it would be good to do it just to have it written down and then people can pick it apart if they want, I'd be grateful for feedback or potential problems. It may be that we just work in different ways.
4 - if you don't include external audio in the groups, you'll have to constantly be adjusting separate pieces of media in the timeline which really should be linked together.
External audio is included in the group, just not explaining myself very well.
Andi
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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:00 -0800
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Media Composer for reality shows
1 - when you have a sequence made up of many group clips, you cannot watch that sequence in split view in your source monitor.
You can watch a grouped sequence from the timeline in a quad split in your source. As long as the grouped clip is on V1 and you are in multicam mode, as you play your sequence you will see a live quad/nine split or your other cameras in the source monitor.
2 - when cutting with your groups, matchback will only take you back to the individual group and not the whole sequence of the day.
Match framing from your sequence will take you first to the group clip, then match framing again will take you to the master clip, not a subclip. Our editors prefer to be able to go back to the master clip and not a sub clip. As far as I'm aware, it's not possible to match frame back to a sequence from another sequence? Or do I misunderstand?
3 - without making subclips, you will have parts of your groups that are not in sync (unless every camera on set cut at the same time, which probably doesn't happen). They will be in sync in the sequence you made, but they will have possible heads or tails not in sync that you will find when you matchback to the group from your timeline. This concept is a little hard to explain in writing.
As long as your sync map is in sync and you group by in point and not source tc your groups will be in sync. I think I understand what you are saying about heads or tails but this is not the case with the method I use. I've taken a bunch of screen grabs today and I'm going to do a google doc or something to explain what I do and why I like it a lot more than the subclip method. It may take a while due to work but it would be good to do it just to have it written down and then people can pick it apart if they want, I'd be grateful for feedback or potential problems. It may be that we just work in different ways.
4 - if you don't include external audio in the groups, you'll have to constantly be adjusting separate pieces of media in the timeline which really should be linked together.
External audio is included in the group, just not explaining myself very well.
Andi
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:00 -0800
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Media Composer for reality shows
Andi,
I would not recommend grouping using your described method for a few reasons.
1 - when you have a sequence made up of many group clips, you cannot watch that sequence in split view in your source monitor.
2 - when cutting with your groups, matchback will only take you back to the individual group and not the whole sequence of the day.
3 - without making subclips, you will have parts of your groups that are not in sync (unless every camera on set cut at the same time, which probably doesn't happen). They will be in sync in the sequence you made, but they will have possible heads or tails not in sync that you will find when you matchback to the group from your timeline. This concept is a little hard to explain in writing.
4 - if you don't include external audio in the groups, you'll have to constantly be adjusting separate pieces of media in the timeline which really should be linked together.
If I'm missing something, definitely correct me.
I really like this tutorial for multigroups, by the way: How to MultiGroup in AVID Media Composer for Reality TeleVision
-Brian
I would not recommend grouping using your described method for a few reasons.
1 - when you have a sequence made up of many group clips, you cannot watch that sequence in split view in your source monitor.
2 - when cutting with your groups, matchback will only take you back to the individual group and not the whole sequence of the day.
3 - without making subclips, you will have parts of your groups that are not in sync (unless every camera on set cut at the same time, which probably doesn't happen). They will be in sync in the sequence you made, but they will have possible heads or tails not in sync that you will find when you matchback to the group from your timeline. This concept is a little hard to explain in writing.
4 - if you don't include external audio in the groups, you'll have to constantly be adjusting separate pieces of media in the timeline which really should be linked together.
If I'm missing something, definitely correct me.
I really like this tutorial for multigroups, by the way: How to MultiGroup in AVID Media Composer for Reality TeleVision
-Brian
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