This IS the Avid L2: [Avid-L2] Re: AutoSync sequence with motion FX turns to sub clip will not translate to online

I can see how a motion effect clip would not take on aux time code. I've seen cases where imported clips won't allow time code modification. I did play around with promoting the motion effect clip to a time warp and then the autosync creates a subclip that still shows the motion effect icon but grouping it and cutting it into a sequence as a grouped clip loses the icon even after committing multicam. As you say I do see the time code reflected correctly incrementing at 200% and a decompose creates a clip with the correct time code but I was testing on a whacky ama linked sequence and after decomposing I couldn't link back to the original media so I don't know if that was ama relinking whackyness or just plain whacyness based on what I was trying to do.

I guess there is an underlying need for group clips to maintain a frame for frame relationship that is constant which would not be the case for a motion effect clip or a time warped clip. Fun little brain teaser to play with.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@...> wrote:
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> Yes, when playing back at a normal frame rate the clip appears as a slow motion. The Avid can create a motion effect that will allow the MOS slow motion source to playback at the same speed as all the other camera angles with audio. The Avid will not let metadata in the Auxiliary TC1 of a motion effect clip. Avid does not allow an AutoSync, Mutigroup, or Group a motion effect clip.
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> That is why I am amazed that the Avid will let a motion effect that is cut all alone into a sequence into a sub clip using the AutoSync command. If AutoSync is done twice in this manner, the Avid looses all links to the original motion adapters.
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> - scott freeman
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > By half speed do you mean they are overcranking the camera so when played back at normal frame rate it appears as slo mo in Avid? If I'm understanding correctly won't these now half speed clips act like normal clips when sub clipped and multigrouped by aux time code? Do these over cranked clips end up with motion adapters when cut into a sequence like what happens when mixed frame rates are used in a sequence? I haven't had to deal with many of these clips in my day to day stuff so any enlightenment is appreciated.
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> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@> wrote:
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> > > John,
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> > > I am not trying to sync a thing. I notice consistent things about the Avid and want to share what I find. I am hoping that I am helping with this information.
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> > > People are shooting at half speed and in offline they want to multi-group all the cameras. To account for the speed change the Avid can make a motion effect that lives in an Avid Bin. Avid has a technique called multi-group that can lock the A,B,C,D, cameras in a quadrant and instead of the group ending the multi-group continues. "Bin>MultiGroup..." command even accounts for gaps by rippling them. The only way that I know of to perform the Avid MultiGroup command, is to give sub clips "Auxillary TC1" timecode and then MultiGroup those subclips.
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> > > I was attempting to point out
> > > 1) Selecting an Avid sequence in a bin that has one edit is used by offline to create a sub clip by using the Bin>AutoSync command
> > > 2) The results of using the AutoSync command twice on the same sub clip causes the Avid not to allow the motion effect clip to act like a motion effect clip.
> > > 3) In the Avid I always want to be able to track backwards easily. Motion effects are, ...if I try to re-create the motion effect, sometimes it is almost impossible. Sometimes I would have to give 1, 2, or 3 frame handles before creating the motion effect in the source monitor, just to get the motion effect to match the offline.
> > > 4) I find if I promote motion effects, Matchframe works. Also I can drag the motion effect icon from the "Motion Effect Editor" to a clip for perfect results. Or I just use the motion effect in the timeline and link media to it.
> > > 5)I prefer to use the original motion effects given to me from the offline. There is some counting activity that the Avid does with the original duration of the master clip versus new durations when the Avid creates motion effects.
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> > > - scott freeman
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> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > > > If I read this correctly step 1 is creating a traditional motion effect clip. What if the motion effect is created using the newer time warp motion effect or could you take the motion effect cut into a sequence (step 2) and promote it to a timewarp motion effect before autosyncing it.
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> > > > In checking the help manual autosyncing is a function between audio and video clips. There is no mention of autosyncing a sequence that I saw. What if you take the motion effect clip created from the master clip and use that clip and the audio clip to perform the autosync. I am not clear what you are trying to autosync as there is no mention of an audio clip. I must be confused.
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> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@> wrote:
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> > > > > Version 5.5 - 6.5 Avid Symphony Online Sequence, the edit appears as a sub clip, not a motion effect clip. Thus, no motion effect icon or parameters or effect template. Under the Tools menu if I bring up the "Motion Effect Editor" the Symphony does not recognize it as a motion effect. I can advance by frame and look at the timecode metadata behave like a motion effect. If I park the blue position indicator on the sequence, activate the video track and use the matchframe button, a sub clip loads in to the source monitor. If I park on the sub clip and use the matchframe button, a master clip is loaded.
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> > > > > 1080p/23.976 offline project, a motion effect cut all alone in a sequence. The sequence has one event or we could say one edit. Selecting that sequence and going to the Bin menu and choosing the AutoSync command automatically changes the sequence icon into a sub clip icon.
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> > > > > 1) A master clip is used to create a motion effect
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> > > > > 2) That motion effect is cut in to a sequence all alone
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> > > > > 3) In the Avid Bin, select the sequence and go to the bin menu and choose AutoSync
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> > > > > 4) The sequence turns into a sub clip
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> > > > > 5) The sub clip is cut into a sequence
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> > > > > 6) Selecting the sequence and go to the bin menu and choose AutoSync
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> > > > > 7) the AutoSync command is used on that sequence and the sequence turns into a sub clip
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> > > > > - scott freeman
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