Most color grading suites have four displays. Typically a Waveform for luma, RGB Parade, Vectorscope and some kind of gamut display, like a Diamond or Spear. I've been in a LOT of color grading suites...probably 100. Not everybody has Tektronix. There are a lot of OmniTeks out there. I don't recall many Leader or Harris. I saw no Ultrascopes in serious color suites. Tek and Omni seem to dominate. Lots of rasterizers up on larger LCD screens.
I don't think a lot of people keep an expanded vectorscope open all the time, but it's nice to be able to have one at the push of a button.
Scopes, like ScopeBox for $100 are able to do some customization. The SmartScope Duo from BMD allows you to set this stuff up from a connected computer, but doesn't give you the ability to zoom in on the vector or waveforms. That seems doable within the price point and given the fact that the "brains" of the scope is a separate computer anyway.
I GET the appeal of BMD's scopes, but there are deficiencies. In one suite that I sometimes grade in, they bought Ultrascopes and I'm HAPPY that I have them, because the alternative is having nothing. That said, if I'm going to do multiple days in a row of color grading, I will make the post house rent my Tektronix scopes so I can go faster and do a better job.
Steve Hullfish
On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:33 AM, Mikeparsons.tv <mikeparsons.tv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes ideally I'd like to be able to have more customization but at the price it's what it is.
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> I think the analogy of house building is a poor one, the expanded vector and vector was rare even in a telecine suite you'd generally have one vectorscope and press a button as and when required. In fact thinking back I can't remember having a room with more than 3 scopes. Except when we got lighting scopes but really who graded looking at bowtie displays?
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> Mike
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> On 25 Jul, 2013, at 12:00 PM, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:
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> > Mike,
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> > I begged Grant about 5 or 6 years ago at NAB to give me a cheap scope. He said he believed that too but his marketing guys poo pooed it. So eventually he gave us the a cheap scope. This year I asked him to give us the customization I need. I don't need ot see audio and picture on a scope when I CC. I do need to see a vector, expanded vector, parade and luminance. That is how i like to work.
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> > In the old days you talk about, a decent daVinci room had 4 Tektronix 601s usually two on top of two just to get the same layout. Now we can do it one rasterizer, but not with Ultrascope which either gives us just 2 displays, or 6 that don't match what we need.
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> > Can you color correct with an Ultrascope? Yes. But you can also build a house with a cheap saw, hammer and screwdriver. Will it be as fast, pleasant and efficient as doing it with quality tools? no!
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> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Mikeparsons.tv" <mikeparsons.tv@...> wrote:
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> > > I love all this scope snobbery :)
> > >
> > > We lived our whole lives with a 5 inch CRT waveform and vector and if we were very lucky a parade display.
> > >
> > > Now for 600 bucks we can have all that and histogram, audio and error checking with gamut indications.
> > >
> > > What customizable options do people want? It's been a long time since I had any need to look at line 21 or zoom in to time in a vtr. Hell barely anyone I knows has an spg anymore.
> > >
> > > I know very high end facilities with scannity and baselight grading by ultrascope, they are more than accurate enough for daily use.
> > >
> > > As a disclaimer to the guy who dissed them while admitting he is paid to push other manufacturers I have vfx supervised a feature for bmds now closed facility house and worked with Grant and Peter in 1991-2 but no one pays me to say nice things about anyone's scopes. I just like the ultrascope as a good enough solution that delivers a lot of value.
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> > > I like the brash boldness of the display I like the error logging, I wish they added a clock to the top right so I had a time indication in the same place and I wish I could throw my company logo on rather than theirs... Hmmm ResEdit? I might look at that! But seriously its not an omni tech or a too range engineering textrivix scope but neither were ev, hamlet, etc etc and I've had to use those many times over the years.
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> > > It's a sad indicator of where our industry is going that we are having a conversation about the advantages of adding technical monitoring. I've never built a suite without scopes and I won't be starting any time soon.
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> > > Mike
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> > >
> > > On 25 Jul, 2013, at 1:36 AM, "Bart" <bart@...> wrote:
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> > > > Did anyone checked out Scopebox from http://www.divergentmedia.com/scopebox
> > > >
> > > > I find it pretty useful with plenty of options to get your own layout and setup, a big advantage over Ultrascopes.
> > > > With a cheap BM capture card, this software allows you to monitor any incoming signal or videofile. I use it in our Davinci resolve set and it is sold for under $100.
> > > >
> > > > bart
> > > >
> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, rusescu laurentiu <rusesculaurentiu@> wrote:
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> > > > > Is Ultrascope good enough to asist CC in Avid?
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