Re: [Avid-L2] Re: QT Ref to Self Contained Movie with QT Pro Field Motion/Order Issue with ama?

Set AMA Source Settings has a field order. I usually avoid that panel but
in this case it may be useful.

(right-click clip, set source settings...)


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:19 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> So far I have not found a field order parameter to change.
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger <rogershuff@...> wrote:
> >
> > Having looked at this I think you can only set it to P or I but not
> upper or lower within interlaced - is that correct? The 'Shift fields'
> filter in FCP7 is useful for this.
> >
> > On 16 Aug 2012, at 14:38, Mark Spano wrote:
> >
> > > MC gets field motion wrong ALMOST ALL THE TIME when linking via AMA.
> > > Actually, I've only seen it right with DNxHD quicktimes and XDCAM/P2. I
> > > always have to go in to Field Motion and change every single clip from
> > > Unknown to Interlaced/Progressive depending on source. Come to think
> of it,
> > > this error of guessing is true of almost every application out there.
> FCP,
> > > Compressor, AfterEffects, everything. Always check your field order.
> > >
> > > Now the fact that when you change it to Interlaced, it plays out of
> order -
> > > I'd be inclined to think something else weird is happening. Was there
> HD
> > > source material in your original edit? Doing a QT ref without doing a
> > > mixdown first might have issues that way. I'd try the mixdown -> QT
> Ref ->
> > > Save as self-contained method and see if you still get out of order
> fields.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) <Job_L2@...>wrote:
>
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'm suspecting the 1:1x part. IIRC, there were always some issues with
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Aug 16, 2012, at 4:57, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> QT Ref to Self Contained Movie with QT Pro Field Motion/Order Issue
> with
> > >> ama?
> > >>>
> > >>> MacPro OS 10.6.8 SNDX 5.5.3 1:1 SD mxf project 30I
> > >>>
> > >>> So now that I have ama with 5.5.3 for QT .movs I figured I'd run the
> > >> file I make back through Avid to my error logging scope. I export a
> QT ref
> > >> to maintain 4 tracks of audio and then use QT Pro to make a self
> contained
> > >> .mov. The resulting movie says Formant AVid 1:1x, 720x486 and plays
> fine in
> > >> QT Pro. I ama link to the file and it seems to play with field order
> > >> reversed. The field motion says unknown and the video format says Ai
> > >> :xTime. Huh? I change the field motion to interlace and still field
> order
> > >> seems reversed. If I change to progressive it plays correctly. The
> original
> > >> is interlaced with 2:3 pulldown on most of the source. I can go field
> by
> > >> field and everything is fine when field motion is set to progressive
> but if
> > >> I switch to interlace or 2:3 film I can see the field order issues as
> a jog
> > >> field by field. SD masterial in my NTSC world is always even lower
> field
> > >> first. What is happening in the food chain here that makes
> > >>> interlace field motion show inverted field order.
> > >>>
> > >>> Now for the error log which is why I did this in the first place. The
> > >> sequence has the safe color limit effect with RGB limited to 16-235
> and 422
> > >> box checked. I can play the original sequence out to my scope and it
> won't
> > >> trigger any errors with the scope set to Tek defaults and 0% area in
> the
> > >> tolerance settings for the alarms. This is running through the
> external
> > >> legalizer which is so so but seems to do the job when combined with
> the
> > >> safe color limit effect. If I bypass the legalizer I get some
> occasional
> > >> errors RGB gamut wise. Now with the ama clip back in avid I get
> identical
> > >> errors playing back the exported clip. The errors are even frame
> accurate
> > >> to playing the original sequence both start and stop of the errors. I
> know
> > >> that's the way it should be but it's nice to see it working
> symmetrically.
> > >> So I guess just like I error log my final tapes with a 1% area
> tolerance I
> > >> have to apply the same to the QT files. If the safe color limiter
> > >>> was more effective perhaps no errors would get out. It's funny that I
> > >> need both the safe color limit on the sequence and my external
> ensemble
> > >> legalizer to get no errors. If I just use the ensemble I will get
> errors
> > >> which is why I use both. Also the fact that it is the file I'm told
> not the
> > >> digibeta master that is used for air. The tape is just a backup. Oh
> well
> > >> why does avid interpret the QT ama wrong when I set it too interlace.
> > >> HMMMMMMMMM
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