Bingo! I had just found the setting in Set Source Settings. I did find a "Field Order" column/heading in the list of choices. The field order had been set to default. As you say right clicking on the clip and Set Source Settings allows you to define the field order. Even Lower field first worked as I would have expected. Thanks for the help everybody.
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Mark Spano <cutandcover@...> wrote:
>
> Set AMA Source Settings has a field order. I usually avoid that panel but
> in this case it may be useful.
>
> (right-click clip, set source settings...)
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:19 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > So far I have not found a field order parameter to change.
> >
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger <rogershuff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Having looked at this I think you can only set it to P or I but not
> > upper or lower within interlaced - is that correct? The 'Shift fields'
> > filter in FCP7 is useful for this.
> > >
> > > On 16 Aug 2012, at 14:38, Mark Spano wrote:
> > >
> > > > MC gets field motion wrong ALMOST ALL THE TIME when linking via AMA.
> > > > Actually, I've only seen it right with DNxHD quicktimes and XDCAM/P2. I
> > > > always have to go in to Field Motion and change every single clip from
> > > > Unknown to Interlaced/Progressive depending on source. Come to think
> > of it,
> > > > this error of guessing is true of almost every application out there.
> > FCP,
> > > > Compressor, AfterEffects, everything. Always check your field order.
> > > >
> > > > Now the fact that when you change it to Interlaced, it plays out of
> > order -
> > > > I'd be inclined to think something else weird is happening. Was there
> > HD
> > > > source material in your original edit? Doing a QT ref without doing a
> > > > mixdown first might have issues that way. I'd try the mixdown -> QT
> > Ref ->
> > > > Save as self-contained method and see if you still get out of order
> > fields.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) <Job_L2@>wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > >> **
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm suspecting the 1:1x part. IIRC, there were always some issues with
> > > >> that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPad
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Aug 16, 2012, at 4:57, John Moore <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> QT Ref to Self Contained Movie with QT Pro Field Motion/Order Issue
> > with
> > > >> ama?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> MacPro OS 10.6.8 SNDX 5.5.3 1:1 SD mxf project 30I
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So now that I have ama with 5.5.3 for QT .movs I figured I'd run the
> > > >> file I make back through Avid to my error logging scope. I export a
> > QT ref
> > > >> to maintain 4 tracks of audio and then use QT Pro to make a self
> > contained
> > > >> .mov. The resulting movie says Formant AVid 1:1x, 720x486 and plays
> > fine in
> > > >> QT Pro. I ama link to the file and it seems to play with field order
> > > >> reversed. The field motion says unknown and the video format says Ai
> > > >> :xTime. Huh? I change the field motion to interlace and still field
> > order
> > > >> seems reversed. If I change to progressive it plays correctly. The
> > original
> > > >> is interlaced with 2:3 pulldown on most of the source. I can go field
> > by
> > > >> field and everything is fine when field motion is set to progressive
> > but if
> > > >> I switch to interlace or 2:3 film I can see the field order issues as
> > a jog
> > > >> field by field. SD masterial in my NTSC world is always even lower
> > field
> > > >> first. What is happening in the food chain here that makes
> > > >>> interlace field motion show inverted field order.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now for the error log which is why I did this in the first place. The
> > > >> sequence has the safe color limit effect with RGB limited to 16-235
> > and 422
> > > >> box checked. I can play the original sequence out to my scope and it
> > won't
> > > >> trigger any errors with the scope set to Tek defaults and 0% area in
> > the
> > > >> tolerance settings for the alarms. This is running through the
> > external
> > > >> legalizer which is so so but seems to do the job when combined with
> > the
> > > >> safe color limit effect. If I bypass the legalizer I get some
> > occasional
> > > >> errors RGB gamut wise. Now with the ama clip back in avid I get
> > identical
> > > >> errors playing back the exported clip. The errors are even frame
> > accurate
> > > >> to playing the original sequence both start and stop of the errors. I
> > know
> > > >> that's the way it should be but it's nice to see it working
> > symmetrically.
> > > >> So I guess just like I error log my final tapes with a 1% area
> > tolerance I
> > > >> have to apply the same to the QT files. If the safe color limiter
> > > >>> was more effective perhaps no errors would get out. It's funny that I
> > > >> need both the safe color limit on the sequence and my external
> > ensemble
> > > >> legalizer to get no errors. If I just use the ensemble I will get
> > errors
> > > >> which is why I use both. Also the fact that it is the file I'm told
> > not the
> > > >> digibeta master that is used for air. The tape is just a backup. Oh
> > well
> > > >> why does avid interpret the QT ama wrong when I set it too interlace.
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