This IS the Avid L2: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Editor rates in your area?

> Hunter S. Thompson's book called /Generation of Swine: Tales of Shame
> and Degradation in the '80s/ (New York: Summit Books, 1988). There,
> toward the bottom of page 43
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=hysRM1imbJ0C&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false>,
> I hit paydirt:
>
> /The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally
> perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through
> the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where
> thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good
> reason.
>
> Which is more or less true. For the most part, they are dirty
> little animals with huge brains and no pulse. Every once in a
> while, they will toss up a token human like Ed Bradley or Edwin
> Newman or Hughes Rudd... and there are others, no doubt, like
> Studs Terkel in Chicago and the twisted Rev. Gene Scott, who works
> like a sleepless ferret in the maniac bowels of Southern
> California....
>
> But these are only the exceptions that prove the hideous rule.
> Mainly we are dealing with a profoundly degenerate world, a living
> web of foulness, greed and treachery... which is also the biggest
> real business around and impossible to ignore. You can't get away
> from TV. It is everywhere. The hog is in the tunnel.
>
> /
>
> "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you?
> Jesus, it's scary." --- Hunter S. Thompson (/Atlantic Monthly/
> interview)
>
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/dubiousquotes/a/hunter_thompson_2.htm

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On 7/10/2012 11:24 AM, bouke wrote:
>
> Who was it who said:
>
> "The TV business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic
> hallway
> where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs.
>
> There's also a negative side..."
>
> Bouke
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shirley Gutierrez" <guanacaa@aol.com <mailto:guanacaa%40aol.com>>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Editor rates in your area?
>
> > An interesting argument.
> >
> >
> > But here's the thing: wage decline will eventually have a negative
> effect
> > for our clients, and for television programming generally, because it
> > ultimately will discourage senior professionals from remaining in the
> > editing area of the field. When folks like me find that they can't
> have a
> > decent, secure middle-class standard of living, they will look
> around for
> > other things to do. I myself may be stuck in what's been called "the
> prior
> > investment trap," but other talented people who are younger than I may
> > decide that they should exercise other options, particularly if they
> want
> > to have children. The end result will be brain drain, as editing
> becomes
> > the province people under 35. And editorial brain drain is generally
> bad
> > news for producers and directors, because it will force them to work
> with
> > slower, less creatively experience, less productive personnel.
> Ultimately,
> > that can be bad for your budget and timeline.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do understand that much of this decline has to do with the breakup of
> > the television market into tiny pieces, and that my clients are
> struggling
> > with reduced budgets and compressed timelines. I have great love and
> > respect for my clients, and I know how hard they work. I also
> understand
> > that their wages have gone down as well. I guess one could argue
> that if
> > we all need to find ways to create value for our clients as well as
> > ourselves, that perhaps we also need to find a way to create value for
> > Discovery, and The History Channel, so that they can pay us more. But
> > somehow, I have trouble believing that those outfits are hurting so bad
> > they can't even give the people who work for them a cost of living
> > increase.
> >
> >
> > Shirley
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wilson Chao <wilsonchao@gmail.com <mailto:wilsonchao%40gmail.com>>
> > To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:23 am
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Editor rates in your area?
> >
> >
> > With all due respect, if you're solely suggesting a "move to raise
> > rates," I don't see how that will "create more value" for our CLIENTS.
> > And without our CLIENTS receiving/perceiving more value, it's hard to
> > justify anything more for US.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Shirley Gutierrez
> <guanacaa@aol.com <mailto:guanacaa%40aol.com>>
> > wrote:
> > Maybe there's a way we can create more value for ourselves. But I
> > don't think we can do it individually. I'm not suggesting a union
> > (I've done that and didn't like it much), but perhaps just a enough
> > networking that the move to raise rates comes from a lot of the top
> > editors in a given area at once, so there's more pressure.
> >
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