Shirley,
Long story short (well, in fact i'm to tired to grasp all you wrote, but
promise to do so tomorrow)
Follow the money. If Alan is right, become a plumber.
(in a well chosen uniform of course.)
Way less stress, way more money.
And now i'm off to bed, trench duty tomorrow at 9 sharp.
Bouke
VideoToolShed
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS NIJMEGEN
The Netherlands
+31 24 3553311
www.videotoolshed.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shirley Gutierrez" <guanacaa@aol.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Editor rates in your area?
> Alas, Bouke, I fear I'm too old to seduce any rich guys! They're generally
> interested in women younger than I.
>
>
> Much as I appreciate your input, I'm not sure it's useful to compare your
> wage to mine or anyone else's, unless we also do a detailed examination of
> what it really costs to live in various areas of the world. I certainly
> don't feel prepared to do that, but I can say that here in America
> freelancers like myself have to assume a lot of costs for health care,
> retirement, disability pay, etc. While I don't claim to know what your
> situation is, I do believe the US is really not like many of the other
> industrialized democracies of the world in terms of its social safety net.
>
>
> Your statements also don't account for the fact that we were once paid a
> good deal more for this "craftsman's job" than we now are. I don't think
> the decline in wages has anything to do with the nature of the job; I
> believe it has to with larger trends relative to economic instability, the
> atomization of the television market, and the growth of corporate relative
> to labor power in my own country. As to the job itself, I now have twice
> the responsibility that I once had, and I do much of the work that my
> clients used to do in post. Once upon a time, I would be handed a script
> as a jumping off point at least; now, my clients often have not even seen
> the footage they shot. They simply hand it to me to make of it what I
> will, and they run off to the next thing claiming their attention (they're
> getting paid less too). The writing, the conceptual development, the music
> research and scene structuring, the story cutting, that's all up to me
> now. I happen to love this type of fundamental creativity (a good thing!),
> but it represents a big added investment of thought, and sometimes stress.
> I don't put the job down when I quit "working." It dominates my mental
> landscape and colors much of my life as long as it is going on. Is this a
> "craftsman's" job? If so, then I guess directors are craftsmen too,
> because it seems to me that increasingly, I'm doing their job in post as
> well.
>
>
> Thanks again to everyone giving some thought to this little inquiry of
> mine. I'm wishing us all a more prosperous future!
>
>
> Best,
> Shirley
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bouke <bouke@editb.nl>
> To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Editor rates in your area?
>
>
> Ok,
> Call me an arrogant asshole (which i happen to be).
> But 50 to 60 bucks an hour is more than i make.
> (and yes, i charge 150 an hour for small jobs (less than 2 hours), but
> that
> includes my studio, and a shitload of experience.)
> Sad news is, i never ever get this amount of money when i calculate my
> unbillable hours (I study at least one day a week, and i never get paid
> for
> my fuckups, let alone ingesting/rendering/social/stuff i do to make it so
> my
> name can get on the credits without me complainig to leave it off, that
> never leads to more work...).
> Editing is/was/will ever be a craftmans job, and unless you excel, this
> is
> what you get. (a plumbers wage.)
> Now if it drops below that, i'll become a plumber/electrician/carpenter.
> (plumbing i need to learn, the rest i can do with a one week course)
>
> To make it worse, a normal application coder (that i also do) does NOT
> make
> more money than this.
>
> IOW, earn some money, get a pretty dress, seduce a rich guy.
> (i married a doctor...)
>
> Bouke
>
> VideoToolShed
> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> The Netherlands
> +31 24 3553311
> www.videotoolshed.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shirley Gutierrez" <guanacaa@aol.com>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:30 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Editor rates in your area?
>
>
>> Many thanks to all of you who have responded. I'm still curious to know
>> what goes in various areas, so I welcome more info if it's out there.
>>
>>
>> Indeed, it seems the rates vary pretty significantly from region to
>> region. But many of the rates I've seen in these replies are bad news,
>> because whether we're talking about 3K a week with the potential to work
>> 12 hour days, or $500 for ten hours, that's still a baseline rate of
>> about
>> $50 per hour. I can tell you that editors in cable broadcast were earning
>> that in my relatively small market back in 1997, and I'm referring to the
>> precise amount, not an inflation adjusted number. The one outlier rate
>> posted, from the editor that quoted $700 a day for cable broadcast in the
>> LA market, seems more like what we should be making by now.
>>
>>
>> As an exercise, plug $50 into an inflation calculator, and you get $67.61
>> in 2010 dollars (which is as recent as calculator will go). I'm not the
>> greatest at math, so check me here, but doesn't this mean that some
>> editors are earning approximately 73% of what they made in the 90s?
>> That's
>> not great news for the post production worker bee.
>>
>>
>> As many of you might have surmised, my inquiry was motivated by the
>> perception that it's high time to raise my own rates, which haven't
>> budged
>> by a penny in 10 years. Is this a good idea? I'm just not sure, but it
>> would probably be easier to raise my rates if I weren't the only one
>> doing
>> it. And something tells me that if cable broadcasters can pay $700 a day
>> in LA, they can probably pay it everywhere if they know they have to.
>>
>>
>> Thanks again for all the good info. This list, as always, is a proving to
>> be a real treasure.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Shirley
>>
>>
>>
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