This IS the Avid L2: [Avid-L2] Re: Hard Drive Shortages to Drive Up Cost of Video Editing

Bureaucrats have a way of pissing me off too. Sorry to hear about that Bouke.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bouke" <bouke@...> wrote:
>
> well, i'm cranky as i've got fined 4000 euros for having an alien friend
> help me for 10 minutes, on a job i did as a favour for my neighbours.
> And reading up on legal stuff, there will be a cold day in hell before i win
> this case.
> That however only explains part of me gettting pissed over the file based
> bashing. Yes, my tone was more harsh than my normal pleasant arrogance, but
> when i'll have time i'll respond to this in a more normal uncivilized way.
>
> Bouke
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:47 AM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hard Drive Shortages to Drive Up Cost of Video
> Editing
>
>
> Bouke,
>
> Who got you all cranky today? So I am not allowed to complain about the
> issues with file based workflows now? I'm not telling you that you have to
> use tape. I really don't care what you use. But the reality is that the file
> based workflows are the wild west right now, and that is causing a lot of
> folks pain. And I see more than my share of that pain.
>
> Obviously you think file based is great. I think is is less efficient
> than the tape based workflows we have in place for many users and yes,
> especially in my universe. Let's just leave it at.
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bouke" <bouke@> wrote:
> >
> > Lacks of standards?
> > Over here, SONY defines standards, together with a few techs that are
> > retired now.
> > What is a 'standard' other than one simple rule you need to know to
> > deliver
> > your shit?
> > In the rest of the world, there are zillion of 'standards'. If i want to
> > buy
> > a simple rod of steel (i need one right now), i get the option of 38 kind
> > of
> > different ones.
> > Now you can define that as bad, you can also define that as good. I prefer
> > the latter, since i like to have the options.
> >
> > The fact that public broadcaster techs are plain stupid (and believe me,
> > i've got a lot more stories like yours) does not count as an argument for
> > 'tape being better than file'. The same shit happened in tape delivery
> > also.
> > The one and sole reason i've bought a DVW500 is to be able to tell other
> > parties to shut up, since my stuff is on Digibeta it MUST BE GOOD. And it
> > worked.
> >
> > But that has nothing to do with Terry's bitching.
> > I for one can't see why one must invest in high priced hardware to deliver
> > up to specs. I also fail to see why digital delivery has anything to do
> > with
> > 'lack of specs'.
> > Those are different things.
> > And Terry's arguments in the past are something i can write something
> > about,
> > but not tonite.
> >
> > Bouke
> >
> > VideoToolShed
> > van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
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> > www.videotoolshed.com
> > For large files:
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@>
> > To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Hard Drive Shortages to Drive Up Cost of Video
> > Editing
> >
> >
> >
> > Bouke,
> >
> > What exactly makes digital file-based delivery so much better?
> > Seriously, I'm interested in your opinion.
> >
> > To me, in its current state, it represents lack of standards combined with
> > confusion, if not chaos.
> >
> > To illustrate: for a TV-job a few months ago, I received the ident of a
> > public broadcaster, in an Apple IMX codec and in H264, both obviously
> > straight from FCP. They couldn't tell me the color space it was in (or
> > should be in).
> >
> > The H264, which they claimed most folks used, was completely off,
> > gamma-wise. They said I was the first to mention it. I have watched that
> > ident on TV from time to time. Nice, crushed blacks, and H264 artifacting
> > all over the place in 80% of the cases.
> >
> > Now I know some people will always screw things up, but I do recall that a
> > DigiBeta tape with bars and tone (and an inlay) would often at least
> > indicate what you would be dealing with. Compared to files in "some" color
> > space (take a guess) and "some" codec (never mind platform compatibility),
> > no bars, no tone, no information, no metadata.
> >
> > Again, this is just my narrow view and recent experience. On the Digital
> > Cinema side, things seem a bit brighter.
> >
> > Job.
> >
> > On 27 okt. 2011, at 23:18, bouke wrote:
> >
> > > Terry, you've been bitching about this too much lateley.
> > >
> > > The fact that it is not for your business does not make you have a valid
> > > point.
> > > The world is bigger than your shop. Learn to live with it.
> > >
> >
>