DS is awesome. Of course, once you jump on that bandwagon, there's other stuff to be frustrated about. I guess any box will have it's ups and downs, but there's a whole other level of stuff that DS users wish and hope for. The development of the 3D DVE in DS is akin to the development of titletool.
KEN
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@...> wrote:
>
> Ken. Thanks. Just spouting off.
>
> You describe Symphony's strong suit well. Although the Color Corrector could use
> a big refresh.
>
> We too were romanced by DS. There was a time a few years ago we were looking at
> moving to an all DS shop. This was the first time they offered a software only
> version. But before we could decide they discontinued that program.
>
> I don't know enough about DS to guess how multiple seats would work it
> collaborative SAN environment.
>
> They announced the new DS software version about a month after we took delivery
> of our OS X Smoke.
>
> Always been curious about it and wonder why Avid keeps it such a secret.
> Christopher Magid
> RTVF
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ksirul <kenavid2@...>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 2:03:20 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony
>
>
> I for one like the rants Chris. I got my Symphony about the same time you did
> and your arguments and frustration are certainly shared. Symphony is still a
> great finishing tool for most TV and even HD theatrical situations. Mainly for
> straight ahead color correction. Since Avid bought DS, I've become quite a DS
> head though. I still love cutting on Avid but get quite frustrated with basic
> compositing, stills moves (pan and scan is still a joke and Moving Picture is
> good only until you need to composite your stills with other elements) and
> graphics. Just today I made a title in title tool and noticed how soft it
> looked. That is unacceptable. I am looking forward to our 5.5 upgrade next
> week.
>
> KEN
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@> wrote:
> >
> > Well. That is a good question.
> >
> > Couple of reasons.
> >
> > We know them backwards and forwards, warts and all. Learning takes a lot of
> > time.
> >
> > We have a 7 seat Windows based Avid workgroup so any reactionary changes would
>
> > mean substantial investment. 4 Symphonys and 3 Composers. All current. (We also
> >
> > have one lonely OS X Smoke).
> >
> > The above represents quite an investment in time and money. I would like a
> > return on it.
> >
> > That is what taking care of your customers is all about.
> >
> > Avid's do many things well.
> >
> > Composers are excellent "cut-n-trim" editors. Composer does a very good job
> > handling multiple resolutions and frame rates. Media management can be good.
> > Symphony does nice realtime down and cross converts. Etc.
> >
> > Most important to us is workgroup and shared workflow.
> >
> > To extend my earlier metaphor. These are Chevy Cavalier things. The product,
> > complete with problems, still seems like a good value at the Composer price
> > point.
> >
> > Those problems and issues become a heck of lot less acceptable at Symphony's
> > "Cadillac" price point, hurt by being anchored to Nitris DX hardware.
> >
> > It just doesn't measure up to the marketing. Talking the walk, not walking the
>
> > walk.
> >
> > And that is what this thread was about...Symphony. I've owned one since 1999.
> > Seen this "advanced online finishing" rodeo twice before.
> >
> > I think Avid and their customers are best served by one unified product. Makes
>
> > friends in the short term and lets us be presently surprised if the product
> > grows up or features are added later.
> >
> > Yes I am a critic, a gullible one. I like happy endings.
> >
> > I hope Avid does get it right.
> >
> > Hope is a lot different than "know".
> >
> > So when I see stuff that needs fixing, I pipe up.
> >
> > Want to go over the list again?
> > C.A.Magid
> > RTVF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "davidadodson@" <davidadodson@>
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 11:35:00 AM
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris, why do you even continue to use Avid in your shop? You seem to have so
>
> > much animus towards them, and absolutely zero faith in the future. So why are
>
> > you still in?
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes but Terence, nice doesn't always equal capable.
> > >
> > > Think this gets lost in criticism of a company or product.
> > >
> > > I am sure most, if not all, of the staff at Avid are great fellas and ladies.
> >
> > > The sort you would like to have a beer or glass of wine with. They like
> > > sunshine, puppy dogs, loli-pops and rainbows. Many are smart, many are
> > > dedicated. That doesn't always create results.
> > >
> > > Those are individual parts. Sometimes organizations don't quite know how or
> >for
> >
> > >
> > > some reason can't become a sum of those parts.
> > >
> > > So as a disclaimer, my criticism is directed at institutional issues,
> >abilities
> >
> > >
> > > and problems. Not people.
> > >
> > > Remember this is the same "new" company that dumped resources into smart
> >tools
> >
> >
> > > rather than more pressing issues. And personally I think the company has
> > > misplayed quite a few hands lately. I really don't see a whole lot of great
> > > stuff from the past few years.
> > >
> > > I wish them to not misplay any more hands. That is why I think they have to
> > >kill
> > >
> > > Symphony. The alternative is fixing a lot of problems FAST and developing
> >some
> >
> >
> > > value infused additions FAST.
> > >
> > > That is a tall order for any firm.
> > >
> > > If they do it, I'll be first in line with a check ready.
> > > Christopher Magid
> > > RTVF
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Terence Curren <tcurren@>
> > > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:46:56 AM
> > > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > <<what leads you to believe this ends up different than Avid's past 2 tries
> >at
> >
> >
> > > making a real "on-line" editor?>>
> > >
> > > Faith in the current engineering team and company management. Again, look at
>
> > >the
> > >
> > > last few years, not the history we are all painfully aware of.
> > >
> > > Here is a small example of the difference in the current management. The CEO
>
> > >was
> > >
> > > booked to do Editors' Lounge a few months back. Of course his calendar has
> > > fleshed out since then. So, he was in California on Wednesday for another
> > > customer. Then back in NY Thursday AM for an investor thing, then back to LA
> >on
> >
> > >
> > > Friday for the Editors' Lounge to talk to editors face to face. Then a red
> >eye
> >
> >
> > > back East Friday night. Can you imagine any of the past CEOs of Avid doing
> >that
> >
> > >
> > > to make sure they are hearing their customers directly? Know any other NLE
> >CEOs
> >
> > >
> > > like that?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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