Re tape speeds. DVCam is nearly half as fast as STD DV and is why the MINIDV 60 min tapes give you 40 min recording. As said the faster tape speed alters the track angle and density of media used per byte of data laid down so dropout performance is better in theory. But DV tapes are metal evaporate just like the old Hi8 tapes and we know how good they were for dropout and may have contributed to the practice in the field of avoiding repeated playback of tapes or re-using stock.
DVCam is better but the same tape so only slightly better.
Compatabilty of DVCam (the ability to play any recorded tape in any player) is better then MiniDV which can be very varied (many MiniDV camcorders have "sloppy" tape transport alignments making for incompatible recordings)
MiniDV LP is the devils work and allows twice (I think) the recording time out of a tape (so 2 hours I think on a 60 mini tape) so a great oppertunity to save stock cost. ANd hell on earth to reliably playback!
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> Well since you brought it up. The Fine Camera Crew is obviously under tremendous time pressure. They White Balance like people in California use turn signals, NEVER. Given their inability to WB I doubt they would ever have the time to actually do a test record before hitting the field. I think if anyone ever handed me a test tape to see if it played in my machine before they went out there would be a 911 call to restart my heart. Okay enough, I realize it's easy to bitch in the bay I'm not out there humping equipment around with no time to set lights etc... and some of the best people have been burned by whacky tape stock or transport issues. A little white balance every now and then might make me feel a little better.
>
> By the way "Jerks" is such a harsh, although accurate term, I believe the term "Bone Head" has recently been proven on this very list to be a more PC and underutilized phrase. Perhaps this is one of those times.
>
> In the DV world is LP different from both mini DV and DVCam in it's longitudinal tape speed? I know mini DV runs slower than DVCam but has the same data stream. Does LP go even slower. I'm feeling like the vhs 6 hour mode that never worked in professional vhs decks, or should I say high end semi professional vhs decks?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, IAN WILSON <ian@> wrote:
> >
> > LP will not play on any PRO machines, but if you a confident that you
> > have tested it on the exact camera it was recorded on, then it is
> > probably a tape wrap problem. Do any of these jerks ever do a test
> > recoding?
> >
> > Ian Wilson
> > Colortape Productions
> > Ian@
> > 0418 327 082
> > Via iPhone
> >
> > On 12/01/2010, at 1:01 PM, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> >
> > > Well it is mini DV which is LP compared to DVCam. Like I posted
> > > earlier when trying it in a Panny 1400 I manually set the playback
> > > format to; DV, DVCPro and DVCam. In DVCam mode the tape played fast
> > > ala keystone cops so that tells me it was recorded at the slower DV
> > > tape speed. Unfortunately all the modes still yield the error.
> > > Best guess at this point as suggested by Pat is bad tape path on the
> > > record deck. Funny that it won't play back in the original camera
> > > either. Guess it was just a whacky threading of the tape in the
> > > field.
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, IAN WILSON <ian@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hmm, still want to know if it was shot LP.
> > >>
> > >> Ian Wilson
> > >> Colortape Productions
> > >> Ian@
> > >> 0418 327 082
> > >> Via iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On 12/01/2010, at 12:07 PM, "timmangini" <tim_mangini@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Teranex has a fairly good film repair option that uses adjacent
> > >>> pixels to affect repairs. It is quite good, but the more correction
> > >>> you dial in, the softer the image gets. Haven't tried it on tape
> > >>> errors yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> tim
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Got a panasonic DV tape that has all sorts of macro/micro block
> > >>>> errors. Most are concentrated on the right 1/4 of the frame but
> > >>>> there are also sprinkles of drop out blocks randomly throughout the
> > >>>> image. We've tried several decks and even the camera that it was
> > >>>> recorded on and I'm told they all show the error. Someone
> > >>>> suggested a Flame could do some sort of painting out that was not
> > >>>> rotoscope. I'm not familiar with this kind of functionality. Is
> > >>>> there some process that would be sort of like an automatic version
> > >>>> of Avid's scratch removal. Something that would look at adjacent
> > >>>> frames to fill in the dropout areas. The blocks of drop outs are
> > >>>> black and white squares and sometimes rainbowy colors. Anybody got
> > >>>> a device/software suggestion that might help? As I reread my post
> > >>>> it sounds like some sort of super automated dust buster is what I'm
> > >>>> thinking about. Only with really big dust blocks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> John Moore
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Barking Trout Productions
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Studio City, CA
> > >>>>
> > >>>> bigfish@
> > >>>>
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