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Christopher Pitbladdo
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On 16 Nov 2009, at 17:19, guanacaa@aol.com wrote:
> Hey, isn't it Pan and ZOOM, not Pan and SCAN?
> I think the visual results are fine, and it wouldn't need much more
> functionality to be plausible for simple moves. Even incorporating
> the spline parameters from the 3D effect would help.
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 9:19 pm
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
>
> Steve -
>
> I agree that P&S is a POS - they should just take it out. But why
> not use
> BCC or Avid FX? Clean, simple, part of the sequence.
>
> Dave Spraker
> Account Executive & Avid Specialist
> Professional Video and Tape
> 503.810.3642 - cell
> AIM: dAVID at PVT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Steve Hullfish
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:26 AM
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
>
> Chris is PREACHING NOW BABY. Great couple of recent posts, Chris. Well
> thought out. I hope someone at Avid is listening, because you've
> summarized what they need to accomplish to remain relevant.
>
> I agree with a lot of this. The latest Media Composer hassle for me
> was trying to do moves on a bunch of hi-res stills for a recent
> freelance gig. HORRIBLE! The producer - to my horror - said "This is
> so easy to do in FCP." I had to agree! It's sad. Pan and Scan is a
> total joke. I understand that the architecture of the Avid won't
> support the same functionality as FCP in terms of using hi-res
> sources, but at least have a work around that EVENTUALLY looks good. I
> had to take all of the moves (hundreds of them) into After Effects and
> then export and import them. THey ended up looking great, but at a
> price tag in a LOT of wasted time.
>
> You are correct in that many of Avid's tools are OK, but not good
> enough for a real on-line finish. Color Correction is definitely
> showing its age. No decent secondary color correction. Horrible DVE.
> Mediocre CG or a move to Marquee which looks good, but nobody seems to
> want to use. FCP in this category is actually far worse than Avid. But
> Premiere is actually miles BETTER.
>
> Recent changes in getting multi-frame-rate source material into Avid
> sequences is a GREAT step in the right direction, but so much of the
> effects portion, beyond simple editing (which is obviously rock solid
> on an Avid) is truly bad.
>
> The funny post about "if an integrated environment is so important,
> then why isn't everyone using Adobe? With Terry's answer of
> "Premiere." Maybe Adobe should buy Avid and solve two problems with
> one merger. Adobe would own a good, recognized editing solution and
> Avid would learn how to be integrated and effects-friendly. Plus, I'm
> sure all of those Tewksburians would love to move to sunny San Jose.
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:01 PM, chris magid wrote:
>
> > A few points.
> > 1-Thrid party plug-ins do not play nice with native effects in many
> > cases.
> > 2-Third party plug-ins are available across many different systems
> > and therefore do not give any editor that relies on them a
> > competitive advantage. Especially an editor which has such a heavy
> > reliance on them.
> > 3-Managing stacks of third party of plug-ins is cumbersome in Avid's
> > current nesting architecture. A real bitch with imported alpha
> > material or combinations which must be repetitively applied.
> > 4-Composer's track to track alpha behavior and handling of alpha
> > material in general curtails the effectiveness of plug-ins as
> > compared to their use on other systems.
> >
> > 5-The use of third party plug ins with items such as titles requires
> > the destruction of the ability to revise those titles easily.
> > 6-It is really a poor excuse when you have to say things like "sure
> > the Avid has a DVE built in, but I wouldn't use it for anything
> > really important". Why are the tools there if they don't work well
> > or are feature poor in their original 1995 to 1999 iterations?
> > Doesn't this reflect on the poorly on the entire Composer experience
> > and Avid as a company. Crap. Only half of the things on the feature
> > sheet can be used acceptably in most professional situations. Even a
> > soft edged wipe or vignette can be problematic. I want to be able to
> > move a static graphic around without issue. I want a soft shadow or
> > color correction on my key. IS THAT SO WRONG?
> > 7-Performance. The much touted realtime advantages of Symphony/
> > Composer DX degrades almost completely when using 3rd party plug ins
> > or helper applications.
> > 8-Control and quality. Some plug ins are better than
> > others...sapphire and BCC look good. But not all plug ins are 10 or
> > 16 bit. And all plug ins operate differently in image handling.
> > Bouncing your picture around different bit depths, color conversions
> > and processing certainly can't help.
> > I want to do SIMPLE THINGS in the Avid environment with the tools
> > Avid provided which claim to perform those specific functions. I
> > also would like a couple steps forward just a little more towards
> > the features and functions which have become commonplace in modern
> > post production.
> > Generally, if the button is there you should be able to push it and
> > have good things happen. If not, you have built a Kia instead of a
> > Cadillac...umm make that instead of a Lexus.
> > Chris MagidRTVF
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/14/09, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:41 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > When I started linear editing everything I did went straight to air.
> > 3/4 to 1 inch and then 1 inch to 1 inch show composite. There was
> > clean and trace but that didn't fall into play on most magazine
> > television and documentary work that I worked on. So saying there is
> > no more online is really nothing new to me. Back in those days your
> > effects choices were dictated by which switcher and what DVE you
> > had. So in essence you had to learn a new device or piece of
> > software/hardware all the time. Having to go to AE from Avid is very
> > similar although the complexity of the software today makes it
> > harder to master than the crop of DVE's we dealt with back in the
> day.
> >
> > Curious how many of the short commings you have with Avid's effects
> > are available in BCC which comes bundled? Do you find things like
> > Avid FX and BCC also suffer from poor image quality etc...?
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > THERE IS NO MORE ONLINE...THERE IS NO MORE OFFLINE for most
> projects.
> >
> > >
> >
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