;-)
On 10/26/09, guanacaa@aol.com <guanacaa@aol.com> wrote:
> Wow! Too bad shoes can't come in a digital edition.
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:12 pm
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Not to say "I told you so...." NOW digital vs.
> traditional books
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> Those are all valid points. In our case the shear volume of my wife's shoe
> collection has taken up all the potential storage space for books. ;-)
> Thanks
> to the kindle I'm allowed to have a little closet space I get to call my
> own.
> That is until the next big shoe sale.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, guanacaa@... wrote:
>>
>> I've done a little digital downloading of books, in the interest of being
>> open
> minded. It has it's points, and it definitely has its downsides. Perhaps you
> heard that recently, a bunch of Kindle users downloaded a version of George
> Orwell's "1984,." Then it turned out that that particular publisher was not
> authorized to offer the book in digital form, there was a big flap, and
> Amazon
> resolved it by quietly and wirelessly removing the book from users' devices,
> and
> then crediting their Amazon accounts. Needless to say, the irony of this is
> rich, and there was a bit of blowback in the wake of this incident.
>> Apart from reacting to all the general downsides of anything web based,
>> that
> it can be monitored, that it can be stolen, etc., I'm also a weirdo because
> I
> happen to like real books, their heft, their texture, their smell, the fact
> that
> when I'm reading a long book I know how far I've come and far there is to
> go,
> whether in this chapter or the work as a whole. I also like having what
> Amazon
> refers to as the "clutter" of books around the house. It creates a sort or
> physical reminder of all there is to be read, and it makes my home feel
> civilized to me.
>> Digital books are convenient in the sense that they give you access to a
>> lot
> of words in a small space, but there's also the issue of battery usage, a
> constant problem. Rather than spend 300 bucks or whatever on a Kindle, I
> downloaded the Kindle app for my iPod Touch, and despite the size of the
> screen,
> that works pretty well.
>> Shirley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@...>
>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:15 pm
>> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Not to say "I told you so...."
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>> What no Kindle? My wife presses a button and downloads a book into our
>> Kindle
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>> over the WiFi.
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>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, guanacaa@ wrote:
>> >
>> > I guess I'm a weirdo, but I actually enjoy the human interaction in the
>> > edit
>
>> suite, and I doubt that can be replaced with webcam, chat, etc.
>> > In fact, the question in my mind is generally how many human
>> > interactions we
>
>> think we can replace with the Internet. I used to walk down the hill to my
>>
> local
>> book store, look at what books were displayed there, chat with the guys
>> behind
>
>> the counter, ask them what great jazz CD they were playing, and generally
>> have
> a
>> little tiny community experience. Now, I order books online and talk to no
>>
> one.
>> I resisted this trend for a long time, but now that many of the
>> independent
>> bookstores have died out, I don't really see the point of standing in line
>> at
>> Barnes and Noble.
>> > I suspect that much of what is being outsourced now is the kind of
>> > finish
>> processing that traditionally didn't involve a lot of client contact. I
>> have
> had
>> producers that wanted to be part of the color process, but they are
> increasingly
>> rare. In general, as budgets have shrunk over the years, my clients have
>> spent
>
>> less and less time with me in the suite when I'm cutting content, but they
>>
>> typically do still spend some, and I think that time is generally fun for
>> both
>
>> of us. Some directors, the kinds I like, truly appreciate the give and
>> take,
> the
>> sparks that fly when two people sit in a room and blurt out whatever ideas
>> pop
>
>> into their heads. There may be a way to do this on the web, but will it be
>> the
>
>> same? In the same vein, is talking to someone you love from across the
>> country
>
>> via web cam the same as having them in the room? I don't think so. We've
>> gone
>> very far down this road, but I suspect that at some point people will
>> start to
>
>> understand what they've lost, that human contact is worth something, and
>> that
>> you can't replicate it with technology.
>> > In the long run, if I still manage to work, I think it will be because I
>> >
>> myself am worth something to the people who pay me, and I they understand
>> that
> I
>> can't be replaced by the kid editing on FCP in his bedroom or a total
>> stranger
>
>> in Mumbai.
>> > Shirley
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rick <a_pmb_fan@>
>> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:15 am
>> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Not to say "I told you so...."
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>> > I just went through this with a producer that insisted he be at the edit
>> >
>> > session in my basement. I insisted I wasn't taking the job if he was. So
>> > he
>> > finally gave in and we've been doing video chats with skype. I had to at
>> >
> least
>>
>> > put on a shirt and remember to not stand up during the chat, but it's
> working
>> > fine.
>> > Rick Emery
>> > www.rickemery.com
>> >
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>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jon Wilkman <jon@>
>> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 1:05:05 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Not to say "I told you so...."
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>> > I certainly won't argue that online globalization is having inevitable
>> > impact on making movies, but as documentary producer/director/ writer, I
>> >
>> > enjoy the one on one creative interchange with an editor, as both of us
>> > stare at a screen and try to figure out where that next cut will lead.
>> > Even a webcam can't match that kind of collaboration, at least so far.
>> >
>> > Steve Hullfish wrote:
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>> > >
>> > > I'm definitely part of the problem here. I just sit in my basement and
>> > > edit for clients from LA, NY, Nashville, Dallas and Austin. About 5%
>> > > of my business is from clients in Chicago.
>> > >
>> > > Luckily I don't have a webcam set up or you'd be able to see the odd
>> > > impressions the mesh of an Aeron chair makes on a naked butt. That's
>> > > not too much information is it?
>> > >
>> > > I'd try to head off unemployment by suggesting the non-commuting
>> > > route. I'd willingly give up $200 a week in salary if I didn't
>> > > actually have to come in to work ever.
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:53 AM, guanacaa@aol. com
>> > > <mailto:guanacaa% 40aol.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It seems that on the way to unemployment I should at least hit the
>> > > > stage where I still have a job, but don't have to commute. Hasn't
>> > > > really happened yet. If I end up commuting right up to the moment my
>> > > > job goes to India, that would be too cruel.
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