Thursday, October 8, 2009

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

I know that they did shoot a few Eps on tape when money got tight.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape.tv
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 09/10/2009, at 12:14 PM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, the American version was the best show on TV ever.
>
> www.imdb.com/title/tt0106028/
>
>
>
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: IAN WILSON <ian@colortape.tv>
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 6:52:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know
> where we're coming from...
>
>
> Rick this was locally made TV in Melbourne OZ, not sure that's what
> you are refering to, there was a US show also called Homocide.
>
> We also used to roll the DSS location sound off a ROLA 1/4 inch tape
> recorder, we became expert in putting our finger on the capstan reel
> to keep it in sync, we made up a leader with several pips on it within
> an 8 second pre-roll to get it into sync initially. The film was shot
> on an ST ARRI with a sync motor and a blimp, I am not sure what the
> location sound was shot on, it may have been a Nagra 111 but there was
> no pilot tone
> Perfectone was the first one out with that, they used to amplify 1
> volt to 110V to drive a sprocketed tape machine. Boy was that fun in
> the transfer suite when you had a pilot drop out. Of course then there
> was single system optical sound for news ( I think it was called a
> frezzalini) that used a sound system that had a visual tuning fork and
> a pot to keep the pitch with in range, the only problem was that it
> produced a buzz, which could only be removed by driving in a supplied
> earth stake and pissing on it.
> When we did news we would nominate who was the designated pisser for
> the day and they had to keep up their water levels up so that they
> could perform. This is all true I am not making this up, never the
> less, enough, NURSE! my iPone battery is flat.
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@colortape. tv
> 0418 327 082
> Via iPhone
>
> On 09/10/2009, at 8:26 AM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> They cut Homicide on 2"?
>>
>> Greatest show ever on TV btw.
>> Rick Emery
>> www.rickemery. com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: IAN WILSON <ian@colortape. tv>
>> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com>
>> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:16:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know
>> where we're coming from...
>>
>>
>> And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
>> and a microscope to see the backporch. On a drama called Homicide
>> that
>> I did boom on (a long time ago), the producers where so cheap that
>> they would often go back to the commercial break and start again to
>> avoide the cost of destroying a new tape, then screw us for the OT
>> because the shift ran over. Those were the days.
>>
>> Ian Wilson
>> Colortape Productions
>> Ian@colortape. tv
>> 0418 327 08
>> Via iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

On Oct 8, 2009, at 6:54 PM, guanacaa@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for making me feel young!


Thanks for making me feel older!!! ;-)


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[Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Kreines <jeffkreines@...> wrote:

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<<My first VTR experience was in 1965,>>


Geez, wasn't that during the Civil War?

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[Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming f...

Spent my university years mastering the BVE900(still have the manual) and the A/B roll system....fortunately my first job involved removing the 3 UVW,s connected to an FXE100(groan) and replacing them with a shiny new Avid...Happy days!

Regards Paul Holt
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

"Homicide, Life On The Street?"
Yes, an amazing show.

Shirley


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...


Well, the American version was the best show on TV ever.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0106028/

Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com


________________________________
From: IAN WILSON <ian@colortape.tv>
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 6:52:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're
coming from...


Rick this was locally made TV in Melbourne OZ, not sure that's what
you are refering to, there was a US show also called Homocide.

We also used to roll the DSS location sound off a ROLA 1/4 inch tape
recorder, we became expert in putting our finger on the capstan reel
to keep it in sync, we made up a leader with several pips on it within
an 8 second pre-roll to get it into sync initially. The film was shot
on an ST ARRI with a sync motor and a blimp, I am not sure what the
location sound was shot on, it may have been a Nagra 111 but there was
no pilot tone
Perfectone was the first one out with that, they used to amplify 1
volt to 110V to drive a sprocketed tape machine. Boy was that fun in
the transfer suite when you had a pilot drop out. Of course then there
was single system optical sound for news ( I think it was called a
frezzalini) that used a sound system that had a visual tuning fork and
a pot to keep the pitch with in range, the only problem was that it
produced a buzz, which could only be removed by driving in a supplied
earth stake and pissing on it.
When we did news we would nominate who was the designated pisser for
the day and they had to keep up their water levels up so that they
could perform. This is all true I am not making this up, never the
less, enough, NURSE! my iPone battery is flat.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape. tv
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 09/10/2009, at 8:26 AM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo. com> wrote:

> They cut Homicide on 2"?
>
> Greatest show ever on TV btw.
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery. com
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: IAN WILSON <ian@colortape. tv>
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com>
> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:16:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know
> where we're coming from...
>
>
> And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
> and a microscope to see the backporch. On a drama called Homicide that
> I did boom on (a long time ago), the producers where so cheap that
> they would often go back to the commercial break and start again to
> avoide the cost of destroying a new tape, then screw us for the OT
> because the shift ran over. Those were the days.
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@colortape. tv
> 0418 327 08
> Via iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Well, the American version was the best show on TV ever.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0106028/

Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com


________________________________
From: IAN WILSON <ian@colortape.tv>
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 6:52:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...


Rick this was locally made TV in Melbourne OZ, not sure that's what
you are refering to, there was a US show also called Homocide.

We also used to roll the DSS location sound off a ROLA 1/4 inch tape
recorder, we became expert in putting our finger on the capstan reel
to keep it in sync, we made up a leader with several pips on it within
an 8 second pre-roll to get it into sync initially. The film was shot
on an ST ARRI with a sync motor and a blimp, I am not sure what the
location sound was shot on, it may have been a Nagra 111 but there was
no pilot tone
Perfectone was the first one out with that, they used to amplify 1
volt to 110V to drive a sprocketed tape machine. Boy was that fun in
the transfer suite when you had a pilot drop out. Of course then there
was single system optical sound for news ( I think it was called a
frezzalini) that used a sound system that had a visual tuning fork and
a pot to keep the pitch with in range, the only problem was that it
produced a buzz, which could only be removed by driving in a supplied
earth stake and pissing on it.
When we did news we would nominate who was the designated pisser for
the day and they had to keep up their water levels up so that they
could perform. This is all true I am not making this up, never the
less, enough, NURSE! my iPone battery is flat.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape. tv
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 09/10/2009, at 8:26 AM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo. com> wrote:

> They cut Homicide on 2"?
>
> Greatest show ever on TV btw.
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery. com
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: IAN WILSON <ian@colortape. tv>
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com>
> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:16:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know
> where we're coming from...
>
>
> And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
> and a microscope to see the backporch. On a drama called Homicide that
> I did boom on (a long time ago), the producers where so cheap that
> they would often go back to the commercial break and start again to
> avoide the cost of destroying a new tape, then screw us for the OT
> because the shift ran over. Those were the days.
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@colortape. tv
> 0418 327 08
> Via iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from.

Hi all,

I don't say much here, cause I've too much to learn, but I've enjoyed
this thread greatly.

Mr. Wilson, however, wins hands down with the pissing story.

Thanks for the great look into the past of editing. Makes me envious...


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Thanks for making me feel young! It seems you're a bit older, and you skipped a bit of school to do media instead, thus giving you a head start over the rest of us.
Shirley


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Kreines <jeffkreines@mindspring.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...


My, you all came to this so late! (Except maybe Barry...)

My first VTR experience was in 1965, with an Ampex VR-1500 (2"
Helical, cheaper version of the VR-660). Weird joystick control.
Went to an Ampex VR-7100 1" Type A in rollaround box with popup
monitor shortly thereafter. This was in -- gasp -- junior high
school. My school had a CCTV setup and was an Ampex beta test site of
sorts. I had three years to get video out of my system, and got out of
a lot of classes dashing down to the studio (as it was) to fix
something.

Just so you don't think it was too posh, the "switcher" was a box of
relays with a little pendant with 4 buttons -- we had 3 cameras but
were optimistic -- hit the button and "switch" to the next camera.
Since the box was in the studio you could hear the relays and see the
picture roll a bit -- the audio picked up by a pair of Unidyne IIIs on
goosenecks mounted on the very low ceiling. Our film chain, as it
were, was a B&H 285 projector with the shutter ripped out aimed into a
Wilson Device -- a card with rear projection box with latex screen
stretched over. Lovely image quality! We aimed a terrible Sylvania
600 Vidicon camera at it. This was before "camera 3" arrived -- a
snappy little Ampex CC-323 that was always my favorite.

Our most popular shows were one that taught "cursive writing" (the
school system didn't let you write script until 6th grade) and Dr.
Lola May's math show, taught by a very funny Amazon math whiz whose
catchphrase was "a rubber cigar to you." (I will leave the double
entendres up to the rest of you.) We did produce some non-
instructional shows, all terrible, including one called "From Then To
Now" that was apparently history (of everything) in 5 minutes, not
intended as funny, just a way to get out of regular classes for a bit
and produce this.

Went to high school where they had an insane 2700 mHz instructional tv
station, with a quad machine, a real film chain (well, sort of), a
pair of GPL cameras, one with a 15-150 Angenieux, and in the end the
first U-Matic I ever saw -- the consumer machine. Shows still sucked
but I did do camera on one with Margaret Mead. Funniest technology
there was a bizarre Ampex machine I have never seen since -- their
attempt at the cart machine market -- an audio recorder that used a
12" floppy magnetic disk, as I recall not in any container, just
floppy plastic with oxide on it. Dumb idea!

But this high school had a great photography department, which is
where I spent a lot of time until I started making films -- aided by
the discovery of an unused Moviscop and synchronizer and rewinds that
I cut my first two sync films on.

Dropped out of high school (hey, it was 1971!) to make films full
time, and ended up soon after at the MIT Film Section, a hotbed of
cinema verite activity, and the perfect place for me to be. We had
better toys -- the oddest of which was a Kodak Videoplayer --
essentially a desktop Super-8 flying spot scanner. Ugh! Ricky
Leacock was very interested in democratizing filmmaking (he thought
everyone had at least one movie in them -- something the video
revolution proved was very wrong indeed!) so MIT developed a weird
Super 8 sync system, that I did use on some short films for WGBH.

But I never touched video again until I got and hacked an early 8mm
camcorder. Still prefer film. These days I spend a lot of time
dealing with very old film -- I make archival film scanners for places
like the Library of Congress that can deal with the most shrunken and
damaged film without harm.

What got me started on this? Perhaps an effort to avoid work?

Jeff "old fart indeed" Kreines


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

My, you all came to this so late! (Except maybe Barry...)

My first VTR experience was in 1965, with an Ampex VR-1500 (2"
Helical, cheaper version of the VR-660). Weird joystick control.
Went to an Ampex VR-7100 1" Type A in rollaround box with popup
monitor shortly thereafter. This was in -- gasp -- junior high
school. My school had a CCTV setup and was an Ampex beta test site of
sorts. I had three years to get video out of my system, and got out of
a lot of classes dashing down to the studio (as it was) to fix
something.

Just so you don't think it was too posh, the "switcher" was a box of
relays with a little pendant with 4 buttons -- we had 3 cameras but
were optimistic -- hit the button and "switch" to the next camera.
Since the box was in the studio you could hear the relays and see the
picture roll a bit -- the audio picked up by a pair of Unidyne IIIs on
goosenecks mounted on the very low ceiling. Our film chain, as it
were, was a B&H 285 projector with the shutter ripped out aimed into a
Wilson Device -- a card with rear projection box with latex screen
stretched over. Lovely image quality! We aimed a terrible Sylvania
600 Vidicon camera at it. This was before "camera 3" arrived -- a
snappy little Ampex CC-323 that was always my favorite.

Our most popular shows were one that taught "cursive writing" (the
school system didn't let you write script until 6th grade) and Dr.
Lola May's math show, taught by a very funny Amazon math whiz whose
catchphrase was "a rubber cigar to you." (I will leave the double
entendres up to the rest of you.) We did produce some non-
instructional shows, all terrible, including one called "From Then To
Now" that was apparently history (of everything) in 5 minutes, not
intended as funny, just a way to get out of regular classes for a bit
and produce this.

Went to high school where they had an insane 2700 mHz instructional tv
station, with a quad machine, a real film chain (well, sort of), a
pair of GPL cameras, one with a 15-150 Angenieux, and in the end the
first U-Matic I ever saw -- the consumer machine. Shows still sucked
but I did do camera on one with Margaret Mead. Funniest technology
there was a bizarre Ampex machine I have never seen since -- their
attempt at the cart machine market -- an audio recorder that used a
12" floppy magnetic disk, as I recall not in any container, just
floppy plastic with oxide on it. Dumb idea!

But this high school had a great photography department, which is
where I spent a lot of time until I started making films -- aided by
the discovery of an unused Moviscop and synchronizer and rewinds that
I cut my first two sync films on.

Dropped out of high school (hey, it was 1971!) to make films full
time, and ended up soon after at the MIT Film Section, a hotbed of
cinema verite activity, and the perfect place for me to be. We had
better toys -- the oddest of which was a Kodak Videoplayer --
essentially a desktop Super-8 flying spot scanner. Ugh! Ricky
Leacock was very interested in democratizing filmmaking (he thought
everyone had at least one movie in them -- something the video
revolution proved was very wrong indeed!) so MIT developed a weird
Super 8 sync system, that I did use on some short films for WGBH.

But I never touched video again until I got and hacked an early 8mm
camcorder. Still prefer film. These days I spend a lot of time
dealing with very old film -- I make archival film scanners for places
like the Library of Congress that can deal with the most shrunken and
damaged film without harm.

What got me started on this? Perhaps an effort to avoid work?

Jeff "old fart indeed" Kreines


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming f...

I had one project on a Sony system (900? maybe) where the decks would slip
9 frames each preview or take, so you just did the math and crossed your
fingers and went for the match frame. I had a ton of lap dissolves that would
be a pain to fix so I made sure I had hard cuts to fall back to along with
a couple static graphics. A/B/C Graphic - check and repeat.

Do not miss that one bit. I remember go on a tour of a production house
that kept 29 seconds in a buffer on the switcher. I was amazed.

Little did I know....

Quin

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In a message dated 10/8/2009 6:13:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Tovsky <bruce@...> wrote:


<<just being able to cut on the same frame twice in a row caused me to
> wet myself.... many years ago.>>


Yeah, my first video editing experience was on a RM400. No point in
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Yea, came out the same time as ECM2

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On 09/10/2009, at 10:02 AM, guanacaa@aol.com wrote:

> Anybody remember Montage? That weird, Rube Goldberg attempt at non-
> linearity consisted of a bunch of Betamax cassettes loaded with the
> same dailies, all cueing up and playing their little piece of the
> list, ideally at the right time. Thankfully, I never worked on it. I
> loaded it only once when I was an assistant, and I managed to avoid
> it thereafter.
> I started my offline career on 3/4", which was bad enough. As to
> online, I would never have done it if non-linearity hadn't come
> along. That's because I've always been more interested in making
> things pretty, than in learning the specific configuration of a room
> with equipment from eight different manufacturers.
>
> Shirley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 3:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know
> where we're coming from...
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> One of my first non linear systems was a digital linear room with a
> Pluto DDR
> and an Accom Axial 3000. Load your edl, conform all the shots onto
> the ddr and
> then go into Graphical Mode and you could swap shots around, add
> fades, then go
> back to list mode, and layback to tape. Not true non linear, but a
> cool and fast
> way to swap stuff around without manually modifying your edl.
>
> With an Accom 4 channel DDR, you could load four machines at once.
> It was pretty sweet.
> Yeah kids, we built edls, not just export them as part of the
> deliverables.
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:50:03 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where
> we're coming
> from...
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com, "Jayasri Hart" <hartfilms@. ..>
> wrote:
> <<I embraced digital video because it allowed film-style cutting
> without the
> flatbed.>>
>
> The first time I saw that you could enter a TC an go to it instead
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[Avid-L2] Plug-In Extravaganza at Editors' Lounge Friday October 30th

ALPHADOGS INC. Presents,

Plug-ins, Pixels and Pumpkins

A Look at Tools that Take Your NLE to the Next Level... and Then Some

Trick or treat!

Just in time for the Halloween witches and spooks, the next Editors' Lounge is shaping up to be ghoulishly great. We are featuring a full lineup of plug-ins that can extend your NLE and add polish and pizzaz to your projects. Come spend an evening with demos of composting, tracking and image manipulating toolkits that will knock your scary wigs right off.

Featured guests will include Boris FX, Digital Film Tools, GenArts and Imagineer Systems. Stay tuned for more details about the specific products that will be shown.

As always, be sure to RSVP at http://www.editorslounge.com/register.html as soon as possible. If you can't make it, please notify us right away so that we can give your spot to someone else. 

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When:  October 30th, @ 6:30PM

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Could not have said it better myself :)

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On 09/10/2009, at 9:12 AM, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, IAN WILSON <ian@...> wrote:
>
>
> <<as VTR was so flakey, and one of my jobs in Telecine was to keep
> it in sync with the VTR so they could cut to it when VTR failed>>
>
>
> So, your job was to wrangle media wrapped around heads in a
> successful workflow.
>
> Now your job is to wrap your head around a huge variety of
> media in an attempt to find a successful workflow.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: RED PAIN

Philip, I beleive Apple encourged every body to do their own L&T
that's why we waited so long for P2 support, this is more about RED
writing a driver for a new card, much in the same way BMD or AJA
would, but this is a bit more complicated in that the card has not
only to provide debayered 4K on the fly, but also supply RGB back to
FCP and this is the bit that I beleive Apple were helping them with.
It's not a big stretch from there to Assimilit to say, WTF "I thought
we had an agreement". Pure conjecture on my part.

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On 09/10/2009, at 8:40 AM, Philip Hodgetts <philip@intelligentassistance.com
> wrote:

>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:06 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>
>> Oliver, that's not consistant with Ted saying that they have shared
>> development with Apple in a recent Interview, they are doing
>> something, and I suspect Avid are the same, I understand the RED SDK
>> now allows you access directly with .R3D in the same way that Scratch
>> now operates, so it is now a leval playing field. For Apple it's just
>> a LAT issue, I suspect the problem is how the RGB gets back to the
>> GUI, that may be tricky.
>
> I believe RED wrote the L&T plug-in for RED footage, so I guess they
> can modify it. :)
>
> (While I don't know that for sure, it's logical in that Sony wrote the
> L&T plug-in for XDCAM HD/EX and the expectation is that third parties
> will write L&T plug-ins for their footage).
>
> It may not require Apple at all. if the codec correctly calls its
> hardware (as a good hardware accelerated codec should in QT) then the
> codec would be calling the RED Rocket.
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Anybody remember Montage? That weird, Rube Goldberg attempt at non-linearity consisted of a bunch of Betamax cassettes loaded with the same dailies, all cueing up and playing their little piece of the list, ideally at the right time. Thankfully, I never worked on it. I loaded it only once when I was an assistant, and I managed to avoid it thereafter.
I started my offline career on 3/4", which was bad enough. As to online, I would never have done it if non-linearity hadn't come along. That's because I've always been more interested in making things pretty, than in learning the specific configuration of a room with equipment from eight different manufacturers.

Shirley


-----Original Message-----
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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...


One of my first non linear systems was a digital linear room with a Pluto DDR
and an Accom Axial 3000. Load your edl, conform all the shots onto the ddr and
then go into Graphical Mode and you could swap shots around, add fades, then go
back to list mode, and layback to tape. Not true non linear, but a cool and fast
way to swap stuff around without manually modifying your edl.

With an Accom 4 channel DDR, you could load four machines at once.
It was pretty sweet.
Yeah kids, we built edls, not just export them as part of the deliverables.
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com


________________________________
From: Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:50:03 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming
from...


--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com, "Jayasri Hart" <hartfilms@. ..> wrote:
<<I embraced digital video because it allowed film-style cutting without the
flatbed.>>

The first time I saw that you could enter a TC an go to it instead of searching
for a trim I was in heaven.



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Re: [Avid-L2] So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Consistency allows an easier hand-off of work to an assistant or a second
shift. If it is a jumble, it takes longer to figure out what the hell they
were doing.

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In a message dated 10/8/2009 4:11:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tony@hdheaven.co.uk writes:

A young whippersnapper asked me the
other day "Why?" he continued "They all look the same, so why does it
matter?". I paused for a while, trying to think of a solid answer that
would nail him but the best I could come up with was "I guess it's because
I'm anal that way"

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Rick this was locally made TV in Melbourne OZ, not sure that's what
you are refering to, there was a US show also called Homocide.

We also used to roll the DSS location sound off a ROLA 1/4 inch tape
recorder, we became expert in putting our finger on the capstan reel
to keep it in sync, we made up a leader with several pips on it within
an 8 second pre-roll to get it into sync initially. The film was shot
on an ST ARRI with a sync motor and a blimp, I am not sure what the
location sound was shot on, it may have been a Nagra 111 but there was
no pilot tone
Perfectone was the first one out with that, they used to amplify 1
volt to 110V to drive a sprocketed tape machine. Boy was that fun in
the transfer suite when you had a pilot drop out. Of course then there
was single system optical sound for news ( I think it was called a
frezzalini) that used a sound system that had a visual tuning fork and
a pot to keep the pitch with in range, the only problem was that it
produced a buzz, which could only be removed by driving in a supplied
earth stake and pissing on it.
When we did news we would nominate who was the designated pisser for
the day and they had to keep up their water levels up so that they
could perform. This is all true I am not making this up, never the
less, enough, NURSE! my iPone battery is flat.

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On 09/10/2009, at 8:26 AM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com> wrote:

> They cut Homicide on 2"?
>
> Greatest show ever on TV btw.
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.com
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>
>
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:16:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know
> where we're coming from...
>
>
> And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
> and a microscope to see the backporch. On a drama called Homicide that
> I did boom on (a long time ago), the producers where so cheap that
> they would often go back to the commercial break and start again to
> avoide the cost of destroying a new tape, then screw us for the OT
> because the shift ran over. Those were the days.
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

One of my first non linear systems was a digital linear room with a Pluto DDR and an Accom Axial 3000. Load your edl, conform all the shots onto the ddr and then go into Graphical Mode and you could swap shots around, add fades, then go back to list mode, and layback to tape. Not true non linear, but a cool and fast way to swap stuff around without manually modifying your edl.

With an Accom 4 channel DDR, you could load four machines at once.
It was pretty sweet.
Yeah kids, we built edls, not just export them as part of the deliverables.
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com


________________________________
From: Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:50:03 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...


--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com, "Jayasri Hart" <hartfilms@. ..> wrote:
<<I embraced digital video because it allowed film-style cutting without the flatbed.>>

The first time I saw that you could enter a TC an go to it instead of searching for a trim I was in heaven.



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Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

I edited my first documentary in 1978 on a TRI-EA5. I don't even
remember the Sony deck model numbers, but they were old top-loaders.

No TC or even any numeric displays -- you parked the 3/4" tapes where
you wanted the insert to happen, then the controller backed the decks
up "approximately" 5 seconds, and you held your breath waiting to see
where the edit actually happened. The record machine stayed in insert
until you pushed a button.

I actually "offlined" the show, then went back and "onlined" it -- all
without TC. I wouldn't even DREAM of trying that today.


On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Terence Curren wrote:

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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Tovsky <bruce@...> wrote:
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> <<just being able to cut on the same frame twice in a row caused me to
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>
> Yeah, my first video editing experience was on a RM400. No point
> in previewing an edit as it never hit the same place twice.
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: RED PAIN

Alan, it's all about cost in our market, more so than ever. I see time
and again people not talking into account rendering times. When things
go wrong with getting field data in time, they become huge issues.
Having the RR Card just to speed up the renders to ProRez( in our
case) is huge, when there are those sort of delays. We attempt to have
a rough cut 1 day after wrap. Our movies seldom exceed AUD$2M so
everything is tight.

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On 09/10/2009, at 7:19 AM, Alan Rosenfeld <abrosenfeld@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just out of curiousity, with all the discussion here I haven't seen
> one
> mention of Assimilate Scratch which can play back .r3d raw files,
> color
> corrects in real time and is more robust and featured than Color. I
> would
> imagine that Blackmagic will be making a system to compete with
> Assimilate,
> a system that is software based and runs on off the shelf software as
> opposed to official hardware. That seems to be the future of online
> systems.
>
> Alan Rosenfeld
> The Studio at B&H
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:07 PM, oliverpetersvidy <
> oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> In regards to the DaVinci Lite wish, for grins you should read this
>> thread
> on the COW. Especially Tim Wilson's post.
>>
>> http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/277/43
>>
>> - Oliver
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[Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Tovsky <bruce@...> wrote:


<<just being able to cut on the same frame twice in a row caused me to
> wet myself.... many years ago.>>


Yeah, my first video editing experience was on a RM400. No point in previewing an edit as it never hit the same place twice.

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[Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

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<<as VTR was so flakey, and one of my jobs in Telecine was to keep it in sync with the VTR so they could cut to it when VTR failed>>


So, your job was to wrangle media wrapped around heads in a successful workflow.

Now your job is to wrap your head around a huge variety of media in an attempt to find a successful workflow.

What's changed?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: RED PAIN

Thanks for the link Oliver, fun stuff :))

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> Ian,
>
> In regards to the DaVinci Lite wish, for grins you should read this
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>
> http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/277/43
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

just being able to cut on the same frame twice in a row caused me to
wet myself.... many years ago.
b

On Oct 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Terence Curren wrote:

>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Jayasri Hart" <hartfilms@...> wrote:
>
> <<I embraced digital video because it allowed film-style cutting
> without the flatbed.>>
>
> The first time I saw that you could enter a TC an go to it instead
> of searching for a trim I was in heaven.
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[Avid-L2] Re:So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Jayasri Hart" <hartfilms@...> wrote:


<<I embraced digital video because it allowed film-style cutting without the flatbed.>>


The first time I saw that you could enter a TC an go to it instead of searching for a trim I was in heaven.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Dennis, we used to run a Double System Kine, as VTR was so flakey, and
one of my jobs in Telecine was to keep it in sync with the VTR so they
could cut to it when VTR failed (often). The Stancel Hophmans that ran
the 16mm sprocketed tape had a small handle that you would rotate to
keep sound sync with the Kine, but the only way you would get the
projector in sync was to start and stop it. On the times we had to cut
to it, there would be a huge drop in quality and the sound would often
be out of sync, but nobody ever complained. When tape came back up,
they would have to try and sync back to the Kine. We might do that 4
or 5 times in an hour show, what fun, as type this on my iPhone
sitting on a pier at Mordialloc beach where I live. There is not a
cloud in the sky, I may Twitter a still from my iPhone.

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On 09/10/2009, at 2:52 AM, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 11:14 AM, gfurlow wrote:
>
>> I'll add one memory... We moved from manual 2" Quad editing to an
> early form of electronic editing with Ampex 2000s, a marks-a-lot (to
> mark the cue point) and the editor had to be at least 6 ft tall to hit
> the Rx/Pl button on one machine and the Pl button on the other.
> Preview the edit... if it was off, go back to the mark on the tape...
> move it a few inches (depending on how many frames you wanted to move
> it) and preview again. When it looked right (everyone could see a 1
> frm flash if the edit was off) cue 'em up again and "Roll In
> Record"...
> a :10 pre-roll in "automatic". When 'Editec' and gang-rolling came
> along, we thought we had died and...
>
> I point out:
>
> It probably looked sorta like this room:
>
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/dennisdegan/557631348/>
>
> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: RED PAIN

On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:06 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:

> Oliver, that's not consistant with Ted saying that they have shared
> development with Apple in a recent Interview, they are doing
> something, and I suspect Avid are the same, I understand the RED SDK
> now allows you access directly with .R3D in the same way that Scratch
> now operates, so it is now a leval playing field. For Apple it's just
> a LAT issue, I suspect the problem is how the RGB gets back to the
> GUI, that may be tricky.

I believe RED wrote the L&T plug-in for RED footage, so I guess they
can modify it. :)

(While I don't know that for sure, it's logical in that Sony wrote the
L&T plug-in for XDCAM HD/EX and the expectation is that third parties
will write L&T plug-ins for their footage).

It may not require Apple at all. if the codec correctly calls its
hardware (as a good hardware accelerated codec should in QT) then the
codec would be calling the RED Rocket.

Philip


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[Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from.

Good old days when cc meant carbon copy. - Joyce

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

They cut Homicide on 2"?

Greatest show ever on TV btw.
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Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:16:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...


And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
and a microscope to see the backporch. On a drama called Homicide that
I did boom on (a long time ago), the producers where so cheap that
they would often go back to the commercial break and start again to
avoide the cost of destroying a new tape, then screw us for the OT
because the shift ran over. Those were the days.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

Been there, done that. Don't get me started on cutting film A&B rolls with
hot splicers and acetone cement....how I began in editing.

Alan Rosenfeld
The Studio at B&H

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:16 PM, IAN WILSON <ian@colortape.tv> wrote:
>
>
>
> And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
> and a microscope to see the backporch.


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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: MOD File Format

No QT output - there's other formats, though, that I think Media
Composer will import.

Maybe the .mod format import is just a feature request I need to
recommend since more and more non-pro hard drive/flash drive camcorders
seem to be using it.

I'm sure people will be seeing more need to import it into Media
Composer.

Thanks for the idea.

Ron

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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of kenton.vannatten
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:48 PM
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: MOD File Format

I had to deal with this format once, I seem to remember using VisualHub
or something like that to convert them to QT.

If you have VideoSpin, can you export a QT from there?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: So you young whippersnappers might know where we're coming from...

And then there was editing 2 inch tape with a razor blade, Iron Oxide
and a microscope to see the backporch. On a drama called Homicide that
I did boom on (a long time ago), the producers where so cheap that
they would often go back to the commercial break and start again to
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because the shift ran over. Those were the days.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: RED PAIN

Oliver, that's not consistant with Ted saying that they have shared
development with Apple in a recent Interview, they are doing
something, and I suspect Avid are the same, I understand the RED SDK
now allows you access directly with .R3D in the same way that Scratch
now operates, so it is now a leval playing field. For Apple it's just
a LAT issue, I suspect the problem is how the RGB gets back to the
GUI, that may be tricky.

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Colortape Productions
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On 09/10/2009, at 12:03 AM, Oliver Peters
<oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com> wrote:

> Ian,
>
>> Re: RED PAIN
>> Posted by: IAN WILSON
>> So why are Apple dragging their feet? if its in the SDK, surely both
>> Avid and Apple are as smart as Assimilate. Watch this space.
>
>
> 1. Because Apple is reducing costs in many small ways throughout the
> company.
> 2. All the RED users combined don't constitute a large enough market
> to invest significant R&D.
> 3. It's hard to deal with a company where nothing is ever finished.
> 4. Apple's goal is always to convert everything to QuickTime first.
>
> - Oliver
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[Avid-L2] Re: MOD File Format

I had to deal with this format once, I seem to remember using VisualHub or something like that to convert them to QT.

If you have VideoSpin, can you export a QT from there?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald A. Loneker, Jr." <rloneker@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link. Just an FYI - from some of my experimenting with
> renaming the .mod format to .mpg (as described in the link), it doesn't
> consistently result in files that can open properly.
>
>
>
> We've been using the free Pinnacle VideoSpin application which edits the
> format natively, but we have instances where we want to use footage in
> Media Composer so that's where this inquiry come out of.
>
>
>
> Ron Loneker, Jr.
>
> Director of Media Services
>
> College of Saint Elizabeth
>
>
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jason Gillet
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:00 AM
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MOD File Format
>
>
>
>
>
> Some one sent me this site. I'm not sure it will help you. I haven't
> played around with this format myself yet.
>
> http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2008/06/12/how_to_convert_mod_video.h
> tm
>
> Jason Gillet
> Editor/Engineer
> Moving Pictures NYC
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Ronald A. Loneker, Jr." <rloneker@...
> <mailto:rloneker%40cse.edu> >
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 9:44:15 AM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] MOD File Format
>
> Hi Everyone -
>
> Over the last several months, we have begun using Canon FS11 and FS22
> flash drive camcorders to record video for projects undertaken by
> students. The camcorders record video in the .mod file format.
>
> Has anyone worked with this format natively within Media Composer
> somehow?
>
> We haven't been able to import it without converting it to another file
> format which can be a pain in the workflow because every start/stop of
> the recording creates a separate file.
>
> As a caveat, we haven't upgraded yet to 4.0 yet...we just finished
> upgrading our systems to 3.5.4 two weeks before the 4.0 version was
> released.
>
> Ron Loneker, Jr.
> Director of Media Services
> College of Saint Elizabeth
> Morristown, NJ 07960
>
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